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Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

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  • #31
    Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

    I am struggling with the natural desire to be 'happy' that we have made moves at all... but then skeptical as to whether the moves are the types of moves that get us going in the right direction. We still seem to be a true 'star' away from being legit. That star either needs to grow from within or somehow we need to find a way to get one.... and since that rarely happens in free agency, that means a trade. Also, we need to remember that David West is an expiring contract, so there is a question of what this team looks like in 2 years. I think the Dallas trade was meant to address that as well - to try to get some players in the similar salary length and age category to grow together.

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    • #32
      Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

      Originally posted by TheDon View Post
      I could be taking this the wrong way but the one part in that entire article that stuck out to me that made me cringe a little bit



      now if they meant that as the next step in progression on the way to the finals then that's all well and good but shouldn't that be "a team trying to reach the NBA Finals...
      I think that he meant the former...not the latter. It's been a step by step process.....make the Playoffs 2 years ago....make it too the 2nd round last season....the next step is to make it to the ECF.
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      • #33
        Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

        Originally posted by Bball View Post
        I get so tired of reading how this is basketball Siberia and that's why no big name FA's ever come here when there's ample evidence we don't pursue them anyway. Walsh's entire time here was using the MO that we'd not pursue high $$ FA's. And with some of the things we've learned about Simon, and add in Bird's odd departure and comments, I think the circumstantial evidence is fairly solid.
        Define "pursue." We had both Kaman and Gordon in to Indiana. I'm not sorry we didn't offer crazy money to either one.
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        • #34
          Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

          Fans that aren't happy now will be the same ones lining up to buy a Gerald Green jersey when he wins the dunk contest again and the Pacers are leading the central.
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          • #35
            Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

            Originally posted by troyc11a View Post
            We are going to bid.
            You sure?
            This space for rent.

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            • #36
              Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

              Originally posted by TheDon View Post
              I could be taking this the wrong way but the one part in that entire article that stuck out to me that made me cringe a little bit



              now if they meant that as the next step in progression on the way to the finals then that's all well and good but shouldn't that be "a team trying to reach the NBA Finals...
              I don't think Zig Ziglar would like your goal either.
              "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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              • #37
                Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

                I will never understand why some people feel like we downgraded?
                DJ>>Collison.. Even if we kept Collison he was going to command GH type money.
                You can't tie 80+ Mil on players who bring the same type game to the team. Dj is a
                much better disher and a much better 3 point shooter.. Gerald Green>>Dhante.
                Might not be the leader Jones was, but certainly brings such a great game to the table.
                Iam brings a much better defensive game to the table then Lou.. He's much more taller and
                pretty damm athletic and for 4 mil! a year why not take the gamble. The market for
                big men is a damm expensive rate. Kwame just got singed! Kwame Brown.

                Our Bench will look like this..

                DJ-Lance-Green-Hans/Plum-Iam..


                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HnwRfbJXiM

                raw baby.. Raw.

                That is damm good. People complain about our bigs, we don't need scoring with Dj-Lance-Green. Dude's could light it up..
                We all know Lance can play. It was just a matter of time. We all know that Lance is by far our best passer(pre-DJ).
                I really like how Plumlee is coming along. Super raw guy.. We are small market, we live off trades and growing our own players..
                That's how you compete with the big markets. Just look at the Rays... Last season we where all blessed with an exciting brand of basketball.
                I really really really enjoyed our games last year. So many years of failure.. Now just because we where legit last year, many have
                out of this world expectations. I really feel about our core staying together and competing. Hopefully Paul and Hibbert take that next step.
                Last edited by picasso; 07-13-2012, 03:16 PM.

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                • #38
                  Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

                  Originally posted by GrangerRanger View Post
                  I've said it before and I'll say it again. The problem with our bench isn't that we don't have a go to scorer, or someone who can create their own shot. It's the fact we don't have a front court player that can score consistently.
                  In order to improve the bench, I thoroughly believe we need a guy down low that can score the ball.
                  I'd like to see some fiddling with the lineup that puts West in the second unit, or at least enough fiddling that we don't have the same problem of no low post scorer in the second unit.

                  I think it's possible that West would be okay with it as long as he is finishing.

                  If Ian is going to be our X-man, then he needs to play alongside Hibbert and West both. Plums can provide a few minutes a game as well, but shouldn't be in at the same time with Ian.
                  "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                  • #39
                    Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

                    Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                    I don't think Zig Ziglar would like your goal either.
                    lol that refernce is completely lost on me bud

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                    • #40
                      Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

                      So many are upset cause of the DC, Jones for Mahimni trade that was supposedly not needed to obtain Ian. Wonder how all these other teams fans feel where their teams are allowing high quality guys to just walk away with getting no return. Like a Mayo, Lee or Lou Williams. There are a load of these players where the teams are getting zero return. I realize it's a little different cause they are RFA's (now FA's) but couldn't they had dealt these players at the deadline for some kind of value or get something in a S&T. What about all the players that have team options and the teams are opting out and letting them walk. My point is, at least the Pacers got a return for DC. The return is a legit backup big and dumping Jones and Collison's contracts. Which, got us Augustin and Green. What if DC had an team option and the Pacers opted out and just let him walk and we was stuck with Jones. Teams letting their players walk is a sign that the owners are trying to dictate the market. Trying to get players on more of a FA market without giving up assets for non-star performers. So, I am very happy of the results our FO has done this off season thus far. I would like to see us get a 1 yr. 6mil contract before Hibbert and Hill are signed.
                      Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                      • #41
                        Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

                        Like I said I kind of like what we did, I'm just not sure if this team is going to be better, I can't stop thinking of the Green signing and think "Kareem Rush" I understand the people are excited about his potential(I was few years ago) but at this point in his career I don't expect much from him, I like that we replaced DC with Augustin but I don't know how much better he is going to make the second unit and Mahinmi I think he is going to be decent but again he is not a difference maker, he is just a decent big that we can play 10-15 minutes a game.

                        At the end of the day we only addressed one weakness(backup point guard that can create) but we ended up leaving 3 open(big man that can rebound and defend/SF that can play D/shoot creator off the bench) and opened another one(SG/SF defense).
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                        • #42
                          Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

                          Originally posted by Pacer Fan View Post
                          And exactly what should they be doing? Do you know a team out there that can give better value for our assets? How do you know that the FO didn't check every possible deal for their assets? please explain, I would like to be enlightened.
                          Enlighten you? You've got to be joking. Pacers just gave away DC for nothing. Nothing. And then signed another undersized pg for more money. Ian was an UFA, so we all know the Pacers could have just signed him. Get something for DC than just a straight salary dump. I don't mind giving DJ away, I doubt he has much value, but I know DC has some value. There are teams that could use a good backup/starting point guard. I mean, at least get a future pick, even if it's just a 2nd rounder. Houston, what, got the 18th pick for Budinger. Give me a break.

                          Oh brother, and then you throw the "you don't know if they looked for a deal". Of course I don't. I never claimed I did. I don't know any more than you. But c'mon, giving DC away just seems so idiotic.
                          First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

                            Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                            At the end of the day we only addressed one weakness(backup point guard that can create) but we ended up leaving 3 open(big man that can rebound and defend/SF that can play D/shoot creator off the bench) and opened another one(SG/SF defense).
                            At the end of the day FO addressed:

                            Hibbert > Resigned = win
                            Hill > Resigned = win
                            Amundson > Mahimni = win
                            Jones > Green = win
                            Collison > Augustin = win

                            3 for 3 in the FA Market and was able to retain our 2 RFA's = 5 for 5...I'd call this a very successful week.
                            Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                            • #44
                              Gee, how did I know THIS was coming? Pritchard made some good moves but ultimately Donnie screwed up.

                              You can't get to the NBA Finals unless you get to the Conference Finals. Prepping to beat a team in the ECF does you no good of you end up 10th in the East.

                              When will people realize that you can't just prep for the goal 3 steps ahead without making sure you climb those three steps?

                              So many people think we only got where we did through luck - I think we did a damn good job of making sure we could AT LEAST get there again WITHOUT luck as a factor. How the Hell is that NOT improvement?



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                              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                              • #45
                                Re: Pacers Insider: Fans aren't happy, but Kevin Pritchard, Donnie Walsh are upgrading the roster

                                If our bench has gone from Collison, Barbosa, Jones, Hansbrough, and Amundson to Augustin, Green, George, Hansbrough, and Mahinmi... I have to say I think we'll be noticeably better. So much bigger and much more athletic. We'll have a rim protector all 48 minutes, not just when Roy is playing.

                                I'm not giddy, but I'm encouraged by this roster. Especially if Paul George makes a noticeable improvement.

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