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  • #31
    Re: Either the front office needs to go or the owner needs to sale the team.

    Originally posted by doctor-h View Post
    You have got to be kidding, the best bench in the league. If I remember right people were saying that last year and look what that bench did for us in the playoffs. You do not know what Collison's future with us was, you are guessing. You do not know what Augustine's future with us is. Your back up center that you talk about was a third stringer for most of the year until injury gave him a chance to play. Plumlee with all that talent you seem to see could not play major minutes in college for the best coach in college in four years and produced no numbers. There is a reason for that, I am not sure yet what that is but there is a reason. Although I like us taking a chance on Green he is still not proven anything over the long haul. He played half the season we need to see more. He is a gamble.
    Yes one of the best benches in the league. We all loved Lou and he was decent this new center is better then him. He is tall, athletic, and works hard. You are forgetting that all we really lost this off season IMO was Barbosa and Collison. Barbosa was absolutely terrible in the playoffs and Collison was good but good Lord stop saying that Collison would possibly stay with us b/c he wouldn't have. You realize as soon as Hill took his spot that he got fired up and played better so obviously he wanted his spot back which clearly means he thinks he's a starter. Plus, I'm sure he would ask more than what the Pacers would be willing to pay. Plumlee is a tall/athletic center who is only going to get better. I hated the draft pick at first but the guy has surprised me in the summer league by his offense and his nice little baseline hook type shot. Will he be David West? Heck no. Will he be a Foster type player but better offensively? Very well could be. And as far as all the reports say Augustin is playing with us for 1 year so I kinda do know his future with us. Soooo don't know what the heck you mean there and I would take Augustin over Collison pretty much everyday of the week b/c he is what we needed. We needed a true pg who would distribute the ball and get assists for us. Collison wasn't that guy. Please do ur homework and stop being a debby downer.

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    • #32
      Re: Either the front office needs to go or the owner needs to sale the team.

      Originally posted by PacerFreak31 View Post
      I am not sure who is to blame for all the blunders this off season but one or both of the front office and owner needs to go. We draft a guy the could have been taken with our second round pick. Then we draft a guy with our second round pick that to say has shown nothing is an understatement. Then we way overpay for Hill and Hilbert. Now we trade two players with some trade value for a guy we could have signed as a FA.

      The thing in all of this is that we should have gotten more in all of our dealings with other teams. We should have traded back in the draft and picked up an asset. We should have gotten more for DC and Jones. Our starters and bench will still not beat the Heat in a series. Other teams are getting better and we seem to think that making tweaks to the bench will make us world beaters, is just sickening. For whatever reason we are afraid to win in trades or FA. Not sure if it is the owner or front office but we are going nowhere fast. This is coming from a glass is half full person.
      You must be drinking from a pretty small glass...

      You and I have no clue what offers were on the table for Dahtay and DC... How do you know we could have done better? And sure we could have signed Ian outright but we wouldn't have had the extra cap space to sign Augustin and Green without moving Dahntay and DC... I WTF'd that trade until I realized what else it created for us... And locking up a good backup PF/C for 4m/4 years is very cap friendly...

      You and I have no clue if another team would have scooped Plumley up before the second round... And while the jury is not still out on on OJ it's only because the trial hasn't even begun... The kid has played a handful of SUMMER LEAGUE GAMES...

      Our starting unit was amazing last year and is completely intact... Hill is not overpaid... Our starters were fantastic with him running the point... Hibbert is on a completely reasonable contract for an all-star center...

      And the teams in the league that have made jumps around us did so in situations our small market team could not bear... Nash joined LA because it is LA (close to his kids and an avenue for his post-basketball career goal... Film production)... And the Nets look better because they have the deepest pockets in the league... They may also end up regretting picking up Johnson... And the Knicks improved for both of those reasons... It's New York and deep pockets... Am I leaving anyone out here?

      As others have suggested if you want to see your team make giant splashes in trades and FA you are better off not being a Pacers fan... This team will have to become great through good drafting and smart economic strategies in FA and on the trade front... Sorry buddy but we are always going to be underdogs at best... And I kind of like it that way... It will make strong seasons (and a title run?) that much sweeter...
      Nothing in life worth having comes easy.

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      • #33
        Re: Either the front office needs to go or the owner needs to sale the team.

        Originally posted by imbtyler View Post
        Move somewhere else and/or support a different team. Kevin Pritchard has truly made some good moves. Yes, getting something else for DC and Dahntay would have been nice. But Mahinmi (despite no one knowing him, nor how to pronounce his name) is a long, athletic center, which we've needed. Bringing Green in means that we'll be more exciting to the "casual fan", as well as have a much better scorer behind Paul and Danny, which we needed. Picking up DJ Augustin was the best part of the whole thing (despite my Green favoritism) because we needed a point guard who can and will willing distribute, particularly to our newfound bench of much better scorers.

        I can agree that picking Miles Plumlee was disappointing while Perry Jones III was still on the board, but sometimes you have to trust the team. That wasn't just Pritch and Bird reaching for someone they thought was good, it was Vogel putting his blessing on a player that he felt they, as a team, needed. Someone like Foster, who plays dirty, sets screens, at least tries to rebound, gets to the basket, and can dunk the ball on occasion. I'm not as disappointed with this offseason's moves than I was earlier, because it's all paying off.

        If you can't handle the Pacers, get outta Naptown.
        Where in the world do you get that Plumlee plays like Foster. He has nowhere the energy and does not do the dirty work. That 40" verticle that everyone says he has is a myth. If he had a 40' verticle his head would be 6" above the rim. If I could get my head 6" above the rim, I would make sure someone videotaped and plastered it in front of everyone. PacerFreak could be wrong, I might be wrong and so could you. Nobody knows yet but stop calling people names because they disagree with you. It doesn't make you anymore of a fan than any of us.

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        • #34
          I dont understand freaking out over moves before youve watched them play together.

          And why judge Plumlee and OJ over 4 summer league games?

          Sheesh.

          As previously statesd, we need a new fan.
          Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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          • #35
            Re: Either the front office needs to go or the owner needs to sale the team.

            Originally posted by doctor-h View Post
            Where in the world do you get that Plumlee plays like Foster. He has nowhere the energy and does not do the dirty work. That 40" verticle that everyone says he has is a myth. If he had a 40' verticle his head would be 6" above the rim. If I could get my head 6" above the rim, I would make sure someone videotaped and plastered it in front of everyone. PacerFreak could be wrong, I might be wrong and so could you. Nobody knows yet but stop calling people names because they disagree with you. It doesn't make you anymore of a fan than any of us.
            Last time I checked when they measure someones verticle they don't accidentally just add a foot or so. You jump and hit the top marker you can on a pole type thing and it measures how high you got. I've played basketball since I was 5 years old I've done the dumb drill over and over again.

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            • #36
              Re: Either the front office needs to go or the owner needs to sale the team.

              I love what the pacers have done. The knicks have had a sad off season. They have signed a bunch of old guys. Hppefully the biggest flaw with the Pacers has been fixed which was those long scoring droughts they kept having last season.

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              • #37
                Re: Either the front office needs to go or the owner needs to sale the team.

                Originally posted by doctor-h View Post
                You have got to be kidding, the best bench in the league. If I remember right people were saying that last year and look what that bench did for us in the playoffs. You do not know what Collison's future with us was, you are guessing. You do not know what Augustine's future with us is. Your back up center that you talk about was a third stringer for most of the year until injury gave him a chance to play. Plumlee with all that talent you seem to see could not play major minutes in college for the best coach in college in four years and produced no numbers. There is a reason for that, I am not sure yet what that is but there is a reason. Although I like us taking a chance on Green he is still not proven anything over the long haul. He played half the season we need to see more. He is a gamble.
                The FO's only job is to make sure the team that they put out on the court is better than the team they put on the court the year before. You're welcome.

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                • #38
                  Re: Either the front office needs to go or the owner needs to sale the team.

                  Wait a minute, you mean to tell me that doctor-h DIDN'T create this thread?

                  Wait a minute, nevermind, there he is.

                  Carry on everyone.
                  "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

                  "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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                  • #39
                    Re: Either the front office needs to go or the owner needs to sale the team.

                    Originally posted by k_lewis93 View Post
                    Moron. After that whole thing I wrote you still don't get it. Lateral move??!! Seriously!? Yes Collison was good but for the freaking 100th time Collison sees himself as a starting pg and he wasn't going to be that here so would you rather keep him for a year and get nothing back or actually get something we needed. As for Jones, I love the guy he was an amazing presence in the locker room but on the floor just wasn't that great. AND we signed Green and Augustin for great contracts who WILL BOTH BE OFF THE BENCH! These guys aren't our starters well at least for now unless one of them proves they are worthy. Forget it just go to the bandwagon heat fan parade a lot are jumping on.
                    First of all stop calling me names. Yes Collison sees himself as a starter. Anyone that have been a starter for the entire season should see himself as that. You think for one minute Augustine don't see himself as a starter. You think for 1 minute he is not coming hear to compete for that job. Anyone with a competitive nature will compete to prove they are that guy. If they don't then you should not want them. I am not even a Collison fan but I believe he is a good kid and would have done his best to earn that spot back. If management is willing to hand out a big contract and just hand someone that job because of it is wrong. Let them compete for it and it will make both of them stronger. What some people are saying is that we could have acquired more assets for these moves and small market teams need all the assets they can get and if you can't understand that then who is the moron.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Either the front office needs to go or the owner needs to sale the team.

                      Originally posted by LA_Confidential View Post
                      The FO's only job is to make sure the team that they put out on the court is better than the team they put on the court the year before. You're welcome.
                      And you are only assuming that they have done that. You have no idea whether they have or they haven't and neither do I. It is just our opinions and nothing else. I hope I am wrong but I don't believe I am.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Either the front office needs to go or the owner needs to sale the team.

                        How good or bad this offseason has been depends on how you look at it. You could say:
                        1. The Plumlee pick was ridiculous and a huge reach.
                        2. We resigned Roy and George Hill for way too much money.
                        3. We traded a starting point guard and a strong defender for an ok back up center.
                        4. We signed a guy that couldn't even make it in the NBA originally and the point guard from the worst team in the history of the NBA.

                        Or you could look at it like:
                        1. We drafted one of the most athletic 7' players ever and he is playing solidly in the summer league.
                        2. We signed an all star center and a guy who actually wants to play for Indiana.
                        3. We strengthed our bench and now we don't have to get destroyed with amundson playing.
                        4. We got a solid point guard who can distribute the ball, as well as add scoring to the second unit.
                        5. Gerald Green +Paul George (maybe Plumlee if he gets to play and actually proves to us that he owns a 40" vert)= Lob City 2?

                        We really aren't going to know what's going to happen until we get to see this team play. For all we know, the players we just acquired turn in to huge studs, because they got put in the right situation.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Either the front office needs to go or the owner needs to sale the team.

                          Originally posted by Sandman21 View Post
                          Wait a minute, you mean to tell me that doctor-h DIDN'T create this thread?

                          Wait a minute, nevermind, there he is.

                          Carry on everyone.
                          Another area 55 clown, say no more.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Either the front office needs to go or the owner needs to sale the team.

                            Originally posted by doctor-h View Post
                            Another area 55 clown, say no more.
                            Can we just all agree this kid knows nothing and just end the convo? He isn't even worth arguing with bc it's like talking to a freaking wall.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Either the front office needs to go or the owner needs to sale the team.

                              Originally posted by k_lewis93 View Post
                              Last time I checked when they measure someones verticle they don't accidentally just add a foot or so. You jump and hit the top marker you can on a pole type thing and it measures how high you got. I've played basketball since I was 5 years old I've done the dumb drill over and over again.
                              Then you know if you can get your head above the rim, you would want someone to see it.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Either the front office needs to go or the owner needs to sale the team.

                                Originally posted by k_lewis93 View Post
                                Can we just all agree this kid knows nothing and just end the convo? He isn't even worth arguing with bc it's like talking to a freaking wall.
                                Thanks for calling me a kid, I'll take that as a compliment.

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