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  • Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

    Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
    If Noel declares, I'm wondereing with his injury issue how far down will he fall in the draft? Far enough down, the Pacers might be able to take a gamble and trade up for him??
    He won't fall out of the top 5. I doubt he falls past the top 3, honestly.

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    • Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

      Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

      He will drop but I doubt that he will drop low enough to be in the mid 20s.

      I don't think so either, but I was hoping far enough that the Pacers could trade up to get him. If he'd drop out of the lottery(1-14), maybe a chance to move up to get him. With injuries, you never know how other teams will view the injury, Granger is a prime example of a top 10 pick who dropped to #17, and Noel could drop far enough for the Pacers to move up in the draft to get him. Just wishful thinking on my part.

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      • Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

        Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
        I don't think so either, but I was hoping far enough that the Pacers could trade up to get him. If he'd drop out of the lottery(1-14), maybe a chance to move up to get him. With injuries, you never know how other teams will view the injury, Granger is a prime example of a top 10 pick who dropped to #17, and Noel could drop far enough for the Pacers to move up in the draft to get him. Just wishful thinking on my part.
        I get what you mean but will we have the assets to get move up?
        Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
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        • Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

          thoughts on kentavious caldwell-pope?

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          • Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

            Originally posted by cdash View Post
            What happened to Tony Mitchell this year?
            Good question. Ditto with James McAdoo. Those guys were being talked up as lottery picks last year... now they're being mocked in the 20s! What gives?

            Oh well, their loss, our (potential) gain. Take a shot at a lottery talent PF, and see if we could work out their issues. Could do worse in this draft.

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            • Originally posted by wintermute View Post
              Good question. Ditto with James McAdoo. Those guys were being talked up as lottery picks last year... now they're being mocked in the 20s! What gives?

              Oh well, their loss, our (potential) gain. Take a shot at a lottery talent PF, and see if we could work out their issues. Could do worse in this draft.
              Both of those guys should be gets for us.

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              • Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                Originally posted by wintermute View Post
                Good question. Ditto with James McAdoo. Those guys were being talked up as lottery picks last year... now they're being mocked in the 20s! What gives?

                Oh well, their loss, our (potential) gain. Take a shot at a lottery talent PF, and see if we could work out their issues. Could do worse in this draft.
                McAdoo isn't very good at basketball I wouldn't want him. I am not a fan of his game at all.

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                • Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                  Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

                  I get what you mean but will we have the assets to get move up?
                  Depends on who has his draft spot.

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                  • Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                    Originally posted by wintermute View Post
                    Oh well, their loss, our (potential) gain. Take a shot at a lottery talent PF, and see if we could work out their issues. Could do worse in this draft.

                    I'd rather do that as to have drafted Chumlee.

                    To me trading the pick last year would have been the better option. Not sure it wouldn't be an option to consider again this year.

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                    • Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                      Originally posted by cdash View Post
                      I have to be honest--I don't love Cody Zeller's NBA potential.

                      Which is why he needs another year of college experience to refine his game. Maybe two more.

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                      • Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                        Ok, I have some questions for those of you that are more into college hoops than me (ie. almost everyone ).

                        1) What do you think about Gonzaga's Kelly Olynyk? DX has him going #17 while Draftnet has him going #16. I read up on him today and most people seem to agree that he could sneak into the lottery. I watched some videos of him and he seems to have good offensive skills, a nice motor and amazing co-ordination for a 7 footer. He is not a great athlete but someone with his combination of size and co-ordination should be able to translate in the NBA. Does anyone know his wingspan? Do you see him falling if Gonzaga has a bad tournament?

                        2) What do you think about Georgetown's Otto Porter? I'm always intrigued by Georgetown's Forwards and Centers since they tend to produce frontcourt players with solid basketball fundamentals and not just athletes. DX has him going #11 while Draftnet has him going #3. He is only 19 years old currently and at 6'8 with a 7'1 wingspan he could grow even more. Do you see him translating into a Power Forward or will he be a Small Forward in the NBA level?

                        3) What do you think about Oregon's Arsalan Kazemi? He played in Rice last season and posted some amazing advanced stats. He transfered to Oregon and his stats fell. He doesn't appear in either mock draft. Not even a 2nd round pick. That's probably due to his age as he is already 22 years old (he is 12 days older than Paul George and 3 months plus 13 days older than Lance). But he's putting up good numbers (9.4 PPG, 9.9 RPG, 2.2 SPG and 1.3 APG) while shooting 59.5% from the floor and 71.8% from the line for a ranked team in a strong conference. He is considered a good defender that knows where to be on the floor but at 6'8, 225 lbs it's obvious that he isn't going to be a rim protector. But maybe he can be a PF version of Sam Young without the 3s? Or he will translate to a SF and thus be the taller version of Sam Young without the 3s? Should we snatch him in the second round?
                        Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                        Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

                        Panopticon

                        Originally posted by IrishPacer
                        Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                        • Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                          Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                          Ok, I have some questions for those of you that are more into college hoops than me (ie. almost everyone ).

                          1) What do you think about Gonzaga's Kelly Olynyk? DX has him going #17 while Draftnet has him going #16. I read up on him today and most people seem to agree that he could sneak into the lottery. I watched some videos of him and he seems to have good offensive skills, a nice motor and amazing co-ordination for a 7 footer. He is not a great athlete but someone with his combination of size and co-ordination should be able to translate in the NBA. Does anyone know his wingspan? Do you see him falling if Gonzaga has a bad tournament?

                          2) What do you think about Georgetown's Otto Porter? I'm always intrigued by Georgetown's Forwards and Centers since they tend to produce frontcourt players with solid basketball fundamentals and not just athletes. DX has him going #11 while Draftnet has him going #3. He is only 19 years old currently and at 6'8 with a 7'1 wingspan he could grow even more. Do you see him translating into a Power Forward or will he be a Small Forward in the NBA level?

                          3) What do you think about Oregon's Arsalan Kazemi? He played in Rice last season and posted some amazing advanced stats. He transfered to Oregon and his stats fell. He doesn't appear in either mock draft. Not even a 2nd round pick. That's probably due to his age as he is already 22 years old (he is 12 days older than Paul George and 3 months plus 13 days older than Lance). But he's putting up good numbers (9.4 PPG, 9.9 RPG, 2.2 SPG and 1.3 APG) while shooting 59.5% from the floor and 71.8% from the line for a ranked team in a strong conference. He is considered a good defender that knows where to be on the floor but at 6'8, 225 lbs it's obvious that he isn't going to be a rim protector. But maybe he can be a PF version of Sam Young without the 3s? Or he will translate to a SF and thus be the taller version of Sam Young without the 3s? Should we snatch him in the second round?
                          Kelly Olynyk is super overrated for the NBA IMO. I love him as a college player but he is really weak on defense and rebounding. I love his hands, feet and offensive game. It really reminds me of Nik Vucievc at USC. I just don't think his defense and more importantly rebounding is good enough to be a good starter. Nik is an elite re bounder and ok defender to go with his awesome offensive game and that is why I loved him at USC. Kelly is really weak in those areas. I could see Kelly being like a young Charlie V when he was with the Bucks at the next level which was a solid rotation guy but really limited. The coaching staff and what not will need to use him perfectly or he wont be as effective IMO. But I do love how good he is with both hands very skilled guy. I wish he knew how to pass better as well he often gets got trying to do to much that is the biggest difference between Nik and Kelly. Nik lets the game come to him and Kelly doesn't move the ball as much it kind of frustrates me.


                          Porter is a stud. He really surprised me I had him pegged as overrated by most at the start of the year boy did he prove me wrong. He gets better every game and is arguably the player of the year in college basketball with a skill set that will be very good in the NBA. He isnt going to be a go to guy at the next level IMO(unless he keeps getting better at this same rate but it's possible) but a more than solid 3rd or 4th guy on a team. Very low risk guy IMO I think he is a lottery guy for sure.
                          Last edited by pacer4ever; 03-05-2013, 08:09 PM.

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                          • Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                            Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                            Ok, I have some questions for those of you that are more into college hoops than me (ie. almost everyone ).

                            1) What do you think about Gonzaga's Kelly Olynyk? DX has him going #17 while Draftnet has him going #16. I read up on him today and most people seem to agree that he could sneak into the lottery. I watched some videos of him and he seems to have good offensive skills, a nice motor and amazing co-ordination for a 7 footer. He is not a great athlete but someone with his combination of size and co-ordination should be able to translate in the NBA. Does anyone know his wingspan? Do you see him falling if Gonzaga has a bad tournament?

                            2) What do you think about Georgetown's Otto Porter? I'm always intrigued by Georgetown's Forwards and Centers since they tend to produce frontcourt players with solid basketball fundamentals and not just athletes. DX has him going #11 while Draftnet has him going #3. He is only 19 years old currently and at 6'8 with a 7'1 wingspan he could grow even more. Do you see him translating into a Power Forward or will he be a Small Forward in the NBA level?

                            3) What do you think about Oregon's Arsalan Kazemi? He played in Rice last season and posted some amazing advanced stats. He transfered to Oregon and his stats fell. He doesn't appear in either mock draft. Not even a 2nd round pick. That's probably due to his age as he is already 22 years old (he is 12 days older than Paul George and 3 months plus 13 days older than Lance). But he's putting up good numbers (9.4 PPG, 9.9 RPG, 2.2 SPG and 1.3 APG) while shooting 59.5% from the floor and 71.8% from the line for a ranked team in a strong conference. He is considered a good defender that knows where to be on the floor but at 6'8, 225 lbs it's obvious that he isn't going to be a rim protector. But maybe he can be a PF version of Sam Young without the 3s? Or he will translate to a SF and thus be the taller version of Sam Young without the 3s? Should we snatch him in the second round?
                            I'll only refer to the 2nd question about Porter because he's the only player I've given a good portion of time looking into. And he's good. Really good. Has a sweet shot that has range, can get physical in the paint and isn't afraid to play defense. The physical tools are all there, he's starting to really come on late in the year after a little time to aclimate to the college scale and he seems like a savy basketball player.

                            However, he will be best playing the 3 in the NBA. Even if he bulks up he will still be small playing at the 4. Seeing as we already have a top 5 small forward in PG I wouldn't get too high on him.
                            "There is a time to play and a time to win. It is what you do during winning time that differentiates the average players from stars."

                            ~Ahmad Rashad~

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                            • Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                              Originally posted by Mr.Hinds View Post
                              I'll only refer to the 2nd question about Porter because he's the only player I've given a good portion of time looking into. And he's good. Really good. Has a sweet shot that has range, can get physical in the paint and isn't afraid to play defense. The physical tools are all there, he's starting to really come on late in the year after a little time to aclimate to the college scale and he seems like a savy basketball player.

                              However, he will be best playing the 3 in the NBA. Even if he bulks up he will still be small playing at the 4. Seeing as we already have a top 5 small forward in PG I wouldn't get too high on him.
                              I think Porter will be able to play where ever at the NBA level. 2-4 depending on the matchup. The more I watch him the more he reminds me of a more polished Mo Harkless from last years draft. Who I loved as a player and think will do big things in time. Just a great tool set and a very complete player.

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                              • Re: 2012-2013 NBA draft prospects thread

                                Thank you for the answers, guys

                                In return allow me to talk about 3 European prospects:

                                1) Dario Saric: Probably the most well-known Euro prospect of the draft (not the most hyped though due to Gobert's monstrous wingspan). He is an 18 year old, 6'10, 223 lbs SF with a 6'10 wingspan. He has the same height and weight like Gallinari but a shorter wingspan (Gallo has a 7'05" wingspan). As he is only 18 he can still grow a bit but I'm not sure that he would be able to play PF. He still needs to bulk up a bit and develop a more reliable 3 point shot. He is a good all-around player and he is averaging 7.8 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 1.8 APG, 1.1 SPG and 0.8 BPG in 22.7 MPG in the Adriatic League (mid tier) with Cibona. He has a good handle and good court vision for someone at his size. He could go late lottery or slightly below it.

                                Here is a video of him against Partizan (one of Cibona's main rivals in the Adriatic League). It is from October 2011 which means that he was 17 years old back then:



                                2) Sergey Karasev: He is the most productive Euro prospect of the draft. He is 19 years old, he plays for Triumph Moscow and he led his team to a flawless 6 - 0 1st round in the Eurocup (mid tier competition). Unfortunately, they failed to advance past the top 16 stage as they had a poor 2 - 4 record in the top 16 round. In any case, he put up 16.1 PPG, 3 RPG and 2.4 APG on 44.2 FG%, 49 3p% (on 4.6 tries per game) and 82.6 FT% in 33.2 MPG. He is an excellent shooter with good size and decent court vision. He is left handed and played some SG for his club when needed. However, he is a bad defender, a below average athlete and is mostly good at attempting his shot after 1-2 dribbles.

                                Here is a scouting video of him:



                                3) Giannis Adetokunbo: He is the most obscure Euro prospect of the draft. Currently, he doesn't really appear in most mock drafts (DX is an exception and has him at #29, though) but he could make a big jump in the boards if he comes to the US for the workouts due to his raw physical gifts.

                                The following paragraph has nothing to do with basketball but it's interesting nonetheless:

                                Giannis Adetokunbo is an interesting story. His parents are from Nigeria and in 1992 they emigrated to Greece. Greece is one of the slowest countries in Europe (and maybe even in the world) to grant official citizenship to immigrants (or provide asylum) and according to the law an immigrant's kids are not granted citizenship either even if they were born in Greece. Therefore, Giannis Adetokunbo does not hold official Greek citizenship despite being born here (he was born in 1994, his parents came here in 1992). He does have a Greek birth certificate, though, and he has been able to attend school due to it.

                                Alright, back to basketball:

                                What is Giannis Adetokunbo? Mainly he is a physical specimen. He is an 18 year old that stands at 6'9, weights 196 lbs, has a reported 7'3 wingspan and a strong upper body coupled with a great frame that can fill out. He also has huge hands and he grew 3 inches in the last 10 months.

                                He has good ball-handling and passing skills and he is easily able to take someone off the dribble. His shooting needs some work and his defense is not consistent yet as he lacks experience but considering his physical gifts he can be molded into a great defender.

                                Here is a video of him dissecting the U18 team of the city I currently live in, Aigaleo:



                                And here is the video that DX uploaded recently:



                                And here is a whole match against the U18 squad of Panathinaikos BC (a powerhouse in Greece and Europe that won the Euroleague in 2007, 2009 and 2011 and the Triple Crown in 2007 and 2009):



                                He is the #11 with the red jersey.

                                Giannis signed a deal with Zaragoza in December. He is contract is set to begin in the 2013 -2014 season and it runs through the 2016 - 2017 season.

                                However, the contract is reported to have comfortable NBA out clauses at the end of every summer, including this one. According to his agent (Giorgos Dimitripoulos), Giannis Adetokunbo will almost certainly enter his name in the draft and will there is an 80 - 90 % chance that he will stay in.

                                In any case, the ACB (the league in which Zaragoza plays) is the strongest league in Europe and Zaragoza is team that is good in developing talent.
                                Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                                Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

                                Panopticon

                                Originally posted by IrishPacer
                                Empty vessels make the most noise.

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