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    Originally posted by ballism View Post
    The Rockets team overall looks amazing so far. As if they were trying to get to Orlando ASAP.
    Lamb, Motiejunas, Jones all very impressive.
    Motiejunas should be very good next year. Obviously depends on where he plays and how many PFs with more NBA experience are on that team. (Donate him to the Bobcats to play next to Biyombo, please.)
    Lamb should be in rotation right away. + lots of upside. I never liked him, because he looked bad in U19 World Cup; but I'm starting to change my mind.
    Machado kind of meh overall, but for an undrafted guy he looks fine; he deserves a chance.
    Royce White doesn't look as well as I thought. He needs to settle down. I think he'll get much better soon. A better shot would help a lot too.
    I agree and I expected that he especially needs to know his teammates. Kind of hard to be a floor general when you have never played with the 12 player before. He also shot the ball terribly but I kind of expected that too.

    Dontas was hit or miss agree with Jones he was selfish but he was making his shots so wasnt a big deal


    SG spot was so deep in the draft like I said pre draft. Lamb at 12 was such a good value all the SG's really were good value outside of Waiters. Beal went a little high for my taste but I guess you gotta pay extra for the NBA ready body and IQ plus the defensive potential no doubt best total package of the SG's currently. I love how Lamb plays just plays his speed and doesnt rush very mature for a young player.


    I cant believe how the Kings are using Trob they need to post him up more. They are setting him up to fail if how they used him in SL is how they plan him to play in the season.

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      Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
      Dontas was hit or miss agree with Jones he was selfish but he was making his shots so wasnt a big deal
      Donatas was extremely inconsistent in terms of hitting shots. It's no problem, McHale isn't going to let him shoot a ton anyway, he'll be forced to play in and around the post a lot and make a few jumpers.

      But he plays with so much energy, that's the main thing I wanted to see from him. He's going to have to establish himself as a high energy guy in the league, otherwise he'll be too flawed defensively to be a rotation guy.

      Right now, he reminds me a lot of Jason Smith from the Hornets. Good shooting, some nice post moves, energy, lacks defensive talent overall, too many fouls. He's a much better passer and a bit bigger than Smith, so if he could just be that -- a bigger Jason Smith with passing -- he'll be a rotation player in the NBA for 10+ years.
      I had a much worse opinion of him before the draft last year.

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        Machado finally had a nice scoring game, but his court vision is what I like the most about him.

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          Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
          My dude Machado finally played pretty good. He was forcing TOs on defense and penetrating at will on Marquis Teague. I am still a little mad we didnt offer him a guaranteed deal like the Cavs did with Kevin Jones.

          had 20/6 and 4 steals and only 1 TO. He still needs to learn his personal but with a full camp that wont be an issue. Defensively he played like I scouted today quick hands and feet and in the right positions. His defense isnt gonna be good by any means but much better than he gets credit for.

          Dont put much stock in it but he did it vs a NBA guard and happy he at least will get a camp invite for sure now.


          He played like I envision him playing at the NBA level vs a terrific NBA athlete at that. I still dont get how Tbird saw Cabbages in him LOL but that is the nature of scouting some see different things in different players. Oh well better for him anyway he will probably be Houston's main backup next year.(would rather see him as a primary backup and develop than a 3rd string here. Although I would of rather signed him and after next year he could be the main backup if he progresses and develops like I know he can.)
          They also grabbed Aaron Brooks so he will probably be 3rd string there too, but he did really well against a really inexperienced Teague. I think he is NBA quality PG especially seeing what he has done in summer league. I think the Pacers could still offer him a contract if they would like, I mean Augustine is only on a one year deal, would not be that bad of a situation for him to enter into.
          Why so SERIOUS

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            Originally posted by ballism View Post
            The Rockets team overall looks amazing so far. As if they were trying to get to Orlando ASAP.
            Lamb, Motiejunas, Jones all very impressive.
            Motiejunas should be very good next year. Obviously depends on where he plays and how many PFs with more NBA experience are on that team. (Donate him to the Bobcats to play next to Biyombo, please.)
            Lamb should be in rotation right away. + lots of upside. I never liked him, because he looked bad in U19 World Cup; but I'm starting to change my mind.
            Machado kind of meh overall, but for an undrafted guy he looks fine; he deserves a chance.
            Royce White doesn't look as well as I thought. He needs to settle down. I think he'll get much better soon. A better shot would help a lot too.
            What do you mean where he plays, Dontas signed a contract, I could not imagine them trading him. I would not be surprised if he did not really work in the low post as much either, it seems like a good NBA coach would know his skillset and try to best use it. I think he would get fairly board if this were the case, and then the questions about him being a indifferent type player would come back into play.
            Why so SERIOUS

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              Originally posted by Really? View Post
              What do you mean where he plays, Dontas signed a contract, I could not imagine them trading him.
              You are jumping to conclusions here, IMO.
              they had to sign him. it's either that, or he goes back to Europe for another year. this isn't an out of college rookie who you can push around and keep without a contract.

              Originally posted by Really? View Post
              I would not be surprised if he did not really work in the low post as much either, it seems like a good NBA coach would know his skillset and try to best use it. I think he would get fairly board if this were the case, and then the questions about him being a indifferent type player would come back into play.
              but he has that skill set. Not perfect yet by any means, but his footwork in the low post in good. And McHale has already said he'll force him to work in the post a lot.

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                Originally posted by ballism View Post
                You are jumping to conclusions here, IMO.
                they had to sign him. it's either that, or he goes back to Europe for another year. this isn't an out of college rookie who you can push around and keep without a contract.
                They drafted him because they wanted him I believe, and the thing is how many teams do you know that have drafted a foreign guy, signed him the year after and then traded him before the season starts?

                I know the have a lot of guys at the position but just seems like he has the most potential out of the group to me, I think Royce White has a lot but I see him as being more of a 3 in the future.

                Maybe you are right, but I just do not see it happening.


                but he has that skill set. Not perfect yet by any means, but his footwork in the low post in good. And McHale has already said he'll force him to work in the post a lot.
                Didn't know he said that, and he does have the footwork but I do not think he will be good working down there because of his size, I have a feeling the experiment will turn out more like Barngarni if they try to force him to play in the low post.
                Why so SERIOUS

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                  Originally posted by Really? View Post
                  They drafted him because they wanted him I believe, and the thing is how many teams do you know that have drafted a foreign guy, signed him the year after and then traded him before the season starts?

                  I know the have a lot of guys at the position but just seems like he has the most potential out of the group to me, I think Royce White has a lot but I see him as being more of a 3 in the future.

                  Maybe you are right, but I just do not see it happening.
                  i don't think that being a foreign guy and staying in Europe for a year is important.

                  I do think that they like him (they drafted him, after all). But I don't think anyone is 'untouchable' there, if they can get Howard (or Bynum, or however it ends up).

                  The thing is, if Jones/Lamb etc had any leverage ("I'm offered a much bigger contract in Europe, I'm not going to risk a summer league injury without a contract, make your choice now"), they'd be under contract right now.

                  If the trade doesn't happen within the next couple of weeks, Motiejunas will be trade eligible and a piece that the Magic are bound to consider.
                  In fact, his value for the Magic would only increase --- unsigned rookies count as $0 in a trade, while you can take back salaries for Motiejunas.

                  So if the trade happens now, he probably stays. If not, all bets are off.

                  Originally posted by Really? View Post
                  Didn't know he said that, and he does have the footwork but I do not think he will be good working down there because of his size, I have a feeling the experiment will turn out more like Barngarni if they try to force him to play in the low post.
                  why would his size hurt him in the low post, he's 7'1 in shoes. He's very mobile for a guy that big, he has good footwork in the post, and since the '11 draft he seems to be embracing contact and hustling.

                  It makes me wonder how much playing in Benetton's system (Bargnani's Euro team) hurt his game and his pre-draft perception. I certainly didn't like him myself. He's been surprising last year after changing teams, or now in the camp --- a much more aggressive, high energy player than he was in Benetton.

                  He's not going to be pure low post of course, it will be low post, high post and a 20 footer once in a while, like most NBA big men. Even more so if he ends up on a team with Howard or Bynum.
                  He has some range, and he's a gifted passer, so drawing a defender out once in a while would be smart.

                  There are some similarities with Bargnani, sure. Range, size, ability to face up, a good handle. But he's just as similar to Pau Gasol and a number of other players. As I said, to me he's the most like Jason Smith of the Hornets, but with a passing ability.

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                    Originally posted by Really? View Post
                    They also grabbed Aaron Brooks so he will probably be 3rd string there too, but he did really well against a really inexperienced Teague. I think he is NBA quality PG especially seeing what he has done in summer league. I think the Pacers could still offer him a contract if they would like, I mean Augustine is only on a one year deal, would not be that bad of a situation for him to enter into.
                    No they didn't Brooks signed with the Kings not Rockets.

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                      I think the Rockets still have Livingston as a backup (but he probably gets traded in any Howard/Bynum trade, so they'd still have a lot of minutes there).

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                        Originally posted by ballism View Post
                        I think the Rockets still have Livingston as a backup (but he probably gets traded in any Howard/Bynum trade, so they'd still have a lot of minutes there).
                        I though they were planning to cut him he was on a non-guaranteed deal. Do they plan on keeping him??

                        The Rockets team will be scary young next year maybe best to keep a vet like him around. I dont see how K-mart is on the roster at the start of the season I think they trade him too.

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                          i doubt they cut him, it would only save 2.5 mil because he still has 1 mil guarantee.
                          they probably keep him if they don't use him in a trade.
                          but it makes the most sense to use him in a trade. They could take back over 5 mil bad salaries from Orlando in exchange. And then Orlando could cut him.

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                            Originally posted by ballism View Post
                            i don't think that being a foreign guy and staying in Europe for a year is important.

                            I do think that they like him (they drafted him, after all). But I don't think anyone is 'untouchable' there, if they can get Howard (or Bynum, or however it ends up).

                            The thing is, if Jones/Lamb etc had any leverage ("I'm offered a much bigger contract in Europe, I'm not going to risk a summer league injury without a contract, make your choice now"), they'd be under contract right now.

                            If the trade doesn't happen within the next couple of weeks, Motiejunas will be trade eligible and a piece that the Magic are bound to consider.
                            In fact, his value for the Magic would only increase --- unsigned rookies count as $0 in a trade, while you can take back salaries for Motiejunas.

                            So if the trade happens now, he probably stays. If not, all bets are off.


                            why would his size hurt him in the low post, he's 7'1 in shoes. He's very mobile for a guy that big, he has good footwork in the post, and since the '11 draft he seems to be embracing contact and hustling.

                            It makes me wonder how much playing in Benetton's system (Bargnani's Euro team) hurt his game and his pre-draft perception. I certainly didn't like him myself. He's been surprising last year after changing teams, or now in the camp --- a much more aggressive, high energy player than he was in Benetton.

                            He's not going to be pure low post of course, it will be low post, high post and a 20 footer once in a while, like most NBA big men. Even more so if he ends up on a team with Howard or Bynum.
                            He has some range, and he's a gifted passer, so drawing a defender out once in a while would be smart.

                            There are some similarities with Bargnani, sure. Range, size, ability to face up, a good handle. But he's just as similar to Pau Gasol and a number of other players. As I said, to me he's the most like Jason Smith of the Hornets, but with a passing ability.
                            Just wrapping these two up, I don't assume anything as far as trade right now, that is like assuming we are not sure Danny will be on, and most of the trade talk with Houston seemed to be surrounded about the guys they got this draft, but your right, no one is untouchable, but I would go into the situation thing there is a good chance he plays with Houston this year.

                            As far as the other part, it is more about his strength and weight, not height. He is barely 220lbs, he will need to add weight and strength if he wants to do anything on the low post against decent NBA competition in my view. Just for comparison purpose Gasol is like 250, he may get there one day but he will have to get bigger.

                            Also I liked Dontas a lot coming out of the draft and thought it would have been a good pick up for the Pacers, until Kawhi dropped to us, then I wanted to grab him, but we ended up gettting George, nothing wrong with that either.
                            Why so SERIOUS

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                              Pretty sure he's not 220 anymore, that's a year ago (he was reported 222-226 in summer '11).
                              he doesn't look 220 visually, and his weight gets reported ~240 lately. Which is likely, he's been adding at least 10 pounds every year.

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                                Originally posted by ballism View Post
                                Pretty sure he's not 220 anymore, that's a year ago (he was reported 222-226 in summer '11).
                                he doesn't look 220 visually, and his weight gets reported ~240 lately. Which is likely, he's been adding at least 10 pounds every year.
                                Ok, you are in Europe so you have probably seen more than me, I will take your word for it.
                                Why so SERIOUS

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