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Off season Rumors and Speculation

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  • #46
    Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

    Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
    Really... the dream senario is to have a rookie as our starting point guard? This thread as jumped the shark.
    some people want to win a championship and getting a huge upgrade at pg would be a great start.


    Quick question Kyrie Irving was a rookie last year who would of you took Irving or Collison or Hill??

    With Irving at pg last year I bet we beat Miami and are playing in the finals right now.


    If DC and a pick is all that it takes to move up to get him you do that in a heart beat. DC is a good player but for us to move forward we need a talent upgrade and a dynamic floor general who is a leader and Lillard is just that.

    Yes you have growing pains with rookies but some people want to win a title in the next 10 years and this current core isnt talented enough unless we upgrade .

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    • #47
      Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

      Originally posted by I Love P View Post
      According to @IAMAGM on Twitter Houston is interested in Granger or Iggy. What's a possible deal? They hold the 14th and 16th picks.
      I would be very intrigued with the possibilities of trading with Houston. We already know how Kyle Lowry feels about his coach. What about Granger, Collison, 26th for Lowry, courtney lee and both the 14,16.

      Lowry,Hill
      Courtney lee, Terrance Ross or Jermey Lamb (14th)
      George, Chase Budinger (free agent) 41% 3pt last year
      West,Hans, Arnett Moultrie (16th)
      Roy, ?

      Make that happen and I may just forget who Granger is.
      I'm a Beast

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      • #48
        Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

        Not sure if posted and not sure where this belongs but I wasn't aware of this....

        http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...-Day-Two-3962/

        -Evan Fournier competed today after working out in a one-on-zero setting for the scouts in attendance yesterday. In 29 minutes of action, Fournier scored 12 points, looking smooth creating his own shot on the perimeter and making plays being aggressive in transition while showing good court vision finding the open man. The top 2012 draft prospect at this event, Fournier shot well today, going 2-4 from three in the first game and 2-3 in the second game, but confirmed that his jump shot remains the most significant skill he needs to work on moving forward. He will leave tomorrow for the United State for workouts with Indiana, Memphis, and Dallas.
        "He's a strong physical presence out there on both ends of the court. He's a man. There's a reason he was an All-Star." -- Vogel on David West

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        • #49
          Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

          Yeah i wouldn't mind if we drafted him by far the best euro this year
          Counting down the days untill DJ Augustin's contract expires.

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          • #50
            Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

            Fournier have any buyout issues or anything? He a FA that's ready to play from day one?

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            • #51
              Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

              Originally posted by Willbo View Post
              Not sure if posted and not sure where this belongs but I wasn't aware of this....

              http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...-Day-Two-3962/

              -Evan Fournier competed today after working out in a one-on-zero setting for the scouts in attendance yesterday. In 29 minutes of action, Fournier scored 12 points, looking smooth creating his own shot on the perimeter and making plays being aggressive in transition while showing good court vision finding the open man. The top 2012 draft prospect at this event, Fournier shot well today, going 2-4 from three in the first game and 2-3 in the second game, but confirmed that his jump shot remains the most significant skill he needs to work on moving forward. He will leave tomorrow for the United State for workouts with Indiana, Memphis, and Dallas.
              We scouted him heavy during his season in Europe. I follow a bunch of guys on twitter who follow European spects


              I dont think he has buy out issues Heisenberg and he isnt a FA he is a draft eligible guy. But his jumper is still pretty bad needs to fix it but from every scouting report I have read has tons of ability to get to the rim and finish and also a good passer. His knocks is his body and jumper some say he needs a year or 2 too work on his body.


              http://www.europeanprospects.com/ (great site) @Eurohopes and @ChristopheEPcom is the main guy who tweets on almost all guys. He tweeted at least 3 games that Pacer scouts were at Evan's games.


              http://www.eurohopes.com/player/743/evan-fournier/ has a video and shows some of his game


              I am looking for tape of the dude on the internet but the french league I cant seem to find.c I watched him play in the summit a few years ago but all star games arent really a good setting to watch a dude and see what kind of skill set he has. wish I could find some tape of him.


              EDIT: this video came out think it's from saturday he shows off some nice vision.

              Last edited by pacer4ever; 06-12-2012, 02:33 AM.

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              • #52
                Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                Why is everyone so eager to trade Danny? I get that he didn't shoot well this season, including the playoffs, but do you guys remember what we looked like when Granger went down in the Heat series? We are already a bad offensive team, and you want to trade our best offensive weapon for Lowry, Courtney, and a couple mid-teen picks? Our offense would suffer so bad, we would end up having ~12 mediocre role players and that's not the direction I want the Pacers to go. I don't even know if we'd be better than the sixers if we traded for that package. Bottom line is, if we're trading Granger, we've got to aim higher, or else we're only going to regress.

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                • #53
                  Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                  Originally posted by Hypnotiq View Post
                  Yeah i wouldn't mind if we drafted him by far the best euro this year
                  Stanko begs to differ
                  Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                    Originally posted by PacersRule View Post
                    Why is everyone so eager to trade Danny? I get that he didn't shoot well this season, including the playoffs, but do you guys remember what we looked like when Granger went down in the Heat series? We are already a bad offensive team, and you want to trade our best offensive weapon for Lowry, Courtney, and a couple mid-teen picks? Our offense would suffer so bad, we would end up having ~12 mediocre role players and that's not the direction I want the Pacers to go. I don't even know if we'd be better than the sixers if we traded for that package. Bottom line is, if we're trading Granger, we've got to aim higher, or else we're only going to regress.
                    Just a hunch....and it's pure guesswork on my end....but I wouldn't be surprised if Granger was moved with Pritchard at the helm with Bird.
                    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                      Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                      Just a hunch....and it's pure guesswork on my end....but I wouldn't be surprised if Granger was moved with Pritchard at the helm with Bird.
                      Disagree. Bird will still have the last word. None of the core is going anywhere in a trade unless it's a no-brainer.

                      A lot of you guys think two in the bush is better than one in the hand.
                      Last edited by Will Galen; 06-12-2012, 07:33 AM.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                        Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
                        Disagree. Bird will still have the last word. None of the core is going anywhere in a trade unless it's a no-brainer.

                        A lot of you guys think two in the bush is better than one in the hand.
                        Agreed. I think Granger, Hibbert and West are almost locks to stay, everyone else has some reason why they might not be here though trade or contract.

                        BTW, I'm I the only one who would love to end up with Kendall Marshall from this draft?
                        Danger Zone

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                        • #57
                          Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                          I think we will look for a player, or two, of the same caliber of Hibbert, Granger, and West to add on to what we already have... Preferably at the point guard spot and another big man. But a scorer wing wouldn't hurt either.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                            Originally posted by cdash View Post
                            I love Roy and generally agree with most of your post, but a 20/10 guy? He would be one of the five best players in the league if he were a 20/10 guy. I can see 15/9, but 20/10 are huge numbers.
                            Eh, you/vnzla are most likely right, 20/10 is high.

                            However...here's my case that he *could* reach that number, weak as it may be:

                            I assume we can agree that averaging 10 boards isn't going to be a huge issue, right? He's a good rebounder, averaged 11 in the playoffs, he can get to 10 RPG.

                            Hibbert shot 50% on 10 FGA/game. Averaged just under 4 FTA/game, shooting about 70%. If we had a ballhandler that could feed him the ball in the post, I really believe all of his offensive numbers would skyrocket. Hell, look at Gortat in Phoenix. That guy was awful offensively when playing with the likes of Jameer Nelson/Duhon/Redick. Stick him with Nash, all the sudden quadruples his output to nearly 16ppg.

                            So, while I concede that 20/10 is very much a stretch, with the right court general, I think Roy could come damn close to 20/10, whether that's 17-18-19ppg. Of course, that's contingent on finding someone who can effectively feed the post.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                              Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
                              I think we will look for a player, or two, of the same caliber of Hibbert, Granger, and West to add on to what we already have... Preferably at the point guard spot and another big man. But a scorer wing wouldn't hurt either.
                              I think that's the safe, smart bet, but how do you add someone the caliber of Roy, Danny or West? I almost wonder IF we might want target one of those relatively lower cost, unrealized potential guys who have fallen into disfavor on their current team. We've traded for unremarkable guys over the past few years and gotten what we've paid for, so to speak. I'm not saying these specific guys, in particular, but there seem to be a few guys out there like Anthony Randolph, Beasley, Javale, Dalembert who don't seem to fit in where they are. Maybe, in terms of a trade, we need an X-factor kind of guy? Just thinking out loud. (Speaking of which, I'm curious about the Timberwolves, who have vowed to be really aggressive this off season.)
                              Last edited by Skaut_Ech; 06-12-2012, 10:04 AM.
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                              • #60
                                Re: Off season Rumors and Speculation

                                Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                                We scouted him heavy during his season in Europe. I follow a bunch of guys on twitter who follow European spects


                                I dont think he has buy out issues Heisenberg and he isnt a FA he is a draft eligible guy. But his jumper is still pretty bad needs to fix it but from every scouting report I have read has tons of ability to get to the rim and finish and also a good passer. His knocks is his body and jumper some say he needs a year or 2 too work on his body.


                                http://www.europeanprospects.com/ (great site) @Eurohopes and @ChristopheEPcom is the main guy who tweets on almost all guys. He tweeted at least 3 games that Pacer scouts were at Evan's games.


                                http://www.eurohopes.com/player/743/evan-fournier/ has a video and shows some of his game


                                I am looking for tape of the dude on the internet but the french league I cant seem to find.c I watched him play in the summit a few years ago but all star games arent really a good setting to watch a dude and see what kind of skill set he has. wish I could find some tape of him.


                                EDIT: this video came out think it's from saturday he shows off some nice vision.

                                Thx for the vid. I noticed he drives with his head up. Also can go right or left with handles, and can finish with either right or left. Pretty good qualities if you ask me. We don't need a point with with a j we need a driver/distributor. Interesting prospect to say the least.

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