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5/13/2012 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Heat

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    Game Time Start: 3:30 PM EST
    Where: AmericanAirlines Arena, Miami, FL
    Officials: S. Foster, T. Washington, S. Wright, E. Lewis

    Media Notes: Indiana Notes, Miami Notes
    Local Radio: WIBC 93.1 FM
    NBA Feeds:

    REMINDER: Per PD policy, please do not share a link to, describe how to search for, request a link to, or request a PM about streaming video of a NBA game that is not coming directly through the NBA. Not even in a "wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean" round-about sort of way. Thank you


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    Tim Donahue: Offensive Rebounding will be Critical...

    The Pacers are an odd rebounding team. They’re spotty on the defensive glass. A lot
    of it is driven by how the defense plays. If the opposing offense can get the defense
    to start rotating then the Pacers tend to lose contact with rebounders. This tends to
    happen in flurries, like in Game Two against the Magic, when the Pacers allowed a
    ton of second-chance points and watched an early lead disappear.

    In some ways, those flaws are reflective of the team’s individual players’ weaknesses
    in rebounding. Roy Hibbert is slow and doesn’t have great hands. It’s not uncommon
    during these stretches to see him get his hand on rebounds that he doesn’t control.
    David West also lacks footspeed, but really is just more of a “block-out” guy. His
    default instinct is to control his man, as opposed to trying to chase down rebounds.
    He can help settle things down and keep an opposing player from getting a ton of
    boards, but he can’t himself control the glass. Danny Granger is just a sub-par
    rebounder for his position, averaging just 5.2 rebounds per game in high minutes for
    his career. Luol Deng, Carmelo Anthony, Andre Igoudala, by contract, have averaged
    6.5, 6.3 and 5.8 per game, respectively. Paul George could be — and often is — a
    pretty good wing rebounder, but he is also the team’s primary wing defender, so
    rebounding isn’t his priority...CONTINUE READING AT 8p9s

    Jared Wade: Indiana Must Dominate the 3rd Quarter...

    All season long, the third quarter has been a huge strength for the Pacers. It was
    easily their best quarter throughout the regular season. They out-scored their
    opponents by 9.1 points per 100 possessions in the third this season. If that
    number doesn’t mean much to you, try this. If the Pacers were able to maintain
    their third-quarter dominance throughout all 48 minutes in every game this
    season, they would have have gone 66-0 while beating their opponents by an a
    larger average margin of victory than did the Bulls, which led the league by
    posting an average differential of 8.2 points per game.

    Safe to say that would have made some headlines.

    Obviously, no team can sustain such dominance for so long, but the Pacers have
    actually been even better — way better — in the third so far in the playoffs. In
    five games, they out-scored the Magic 127-84 in the third (scoring at a rate of
    116.9 points per 100 possessions). That equals a total of 43 points, or 8.6 points
    per game. Considering Indiana out-scored Orlando by 54 points for the entire
    series, it’s safe to say that it was their third quarter play more than anything
    else, that won the series...CONTINUE READING AT 8p9s

    Brian Windhorst: Scouting report for Heat-Pacers Tilt

    The Pacers and the Heat are spending an extraordinary amount of time studying each
    other this week. Here’s a look at what their scouting reports will look like, provided by
    league advance scouts’ notes on both teams:


    Getting to the line. One of the biggest changes Frank Vogel has implemented with
    the Pacers is turning them from a team that shoots a high volume of 3-pointers to a
    team that focuses on dribble penetration. As a result, the get a significant portion of
    their offense from getting to the foul line. They have several perimeter players who
    specialize in it from Danny Granger, Darren Collison, Paul George and George Hill.
    They are also a disciplined 3-point shooting team. They don’t take many of them but
    theymake them, they shoot at a good percentage.

    Zoom. The Pacers will go to “zoom” several times a half. This is where they quickly
    turn from their preferred tempered approach to playing up-tempo. This is often
    triggered by dribble hand-offs. They use the element of surprise.

    Bigs. The Pacers have four quality big men and two energy bigs off the bench in
    Tyler Hansborough and Lou Amundson. They also have good general length. As a
    result they are a good rebounding team, top 10 in the league, and an elite team
    when it comes to second-chance points. They are not a dynamic offensive team
    but with second-chance points and free throws, they get by.

    Wing versatility. The Pacers can play with excellent size on the perimeter. They
    can switch on pick-and-rolls because players like Granger and George can defend
    point guards. Most of the time they are solid in rotations.


    Low assist team. The Pacers do have a handful of players who can create their
    own shot but they do not execute plays very well. They were one of the lowest
    assist teams in the league. They try to set up a lot their offense out of the post
    but overall their ball movement is not strong. Their guards also are prone to
    turnovers, though they have improved from last year when they ran former
    coach Jim O’Brien’s “quick” system.

    Average in transition. The Pacers won 90 percent of their games when they
    outscored their opponents in transition, but they only did that about a third of
    the time. They don’t look to run often and aren’t very proficient at it.

    Hibbert in the pick-and-roll. He has excellent size but Roy Hibbert has poor
    lateral quickness on defense. Teams should involve him in as much pick-and
    -roll action as possible.

    Foul prone. The Pacers are a gritty team that works hard on defense but they
    often get over-aggressive. They committed the third most fouls in the league.
    Getting big men in foul trouble can be accomplished and should be a priority.


    Keep James and Wade off the foul line. They are great scorers anyway, they
    will make baskets against good defense. But they are at their best when they
    are able to earn trips to the line.

    Dominate the boards and get second-chance points. The Heat are one of
    the better defensive teams in the league but have some of the worst size.
    Getting extra possessions is the best way to balance out the talent differential.

    Manage turnovers. The Heat can win without getting in transition but that is
    usually how they blow you out. If you can limit letting them get free baskets
    with live-ball turnovers, you will have a better chance of managing the score.


    Transition. The Heat are one of the best teams in transition in the last two decades.
    James and Wade look to run and work well together in transition. They are so quick
    and can change directions...CONTINUE READING AT HEAT INDEX

    Kelly Dwyer: A look at the Miami Heat and Indiana Pacers

    It's OK. You have to remember that, while you ponder the obstacles that might have been
    in place had Derrick Rose not hurt himself two weeks ago, or had Dwight Howard not
    frittered away his team's season. If you're the type that delights in the misfortune of the
    most talented, of the biggest and baddest bear of them all, go ahead. I don't think it's
    healthy, and I don't think it's right, but who am I to judge?

    If you delight in anything, then good for you. This is your time, pal. And nobody can that
    from you. You ever scratch a dog's chin so perfectly that his hind legs shake? That's the
    business, isn't it?

    So don't feel awful, for wishing and hoping for obstacles to stick in front of these Miami
    Heat. It's only natural, and you've likely been doing it for years — hoping against the
    Lakers, or against the Bulls before that. And, in the form of a well-coached and
    sometimes snippy outfit from Indiana, the Heat might just have a whale of a series on

    Mike Wells @MikeWellsNBA
    Jared Wade @8pts9secs
    Tim Donahue @TimDonahue8p9s
    Tom Lewis @indycornrows
    Ian Levy @HickoryHigh

    Brian Windhorst @windhorstESPN
    Tom Haberstroh @tomhaberstroh
    Ira Winderman @iraheatbeat
    Joseph Goodman @miamiheraldheat
    Peninsula is Mightier @DavidDwork
    Last edited by avoidingtheclowns; 05-13-2012, 12:23 PM.
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  • #2
    Re: 5/13/2012 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Heat

    Beat the heat.



    • #3
      Heat 94
      Pacers 81


      • #4
        Re: 5/13/2012 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Heat

        It's time for Roy Hibbert to step up on offense. If he can be a force inside the paint with an under-height Miami team, especially here in game 1 to make an impression, this series can go Indiana's way.


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          Re: 5/13/2012 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Heat

          Attached Files
          Originally posted by Piston Prince
          Bobcat fans telling us to cheer up = epic fail season
          "Josh Smith Re-building the city of Detroit one brick at a time"


          • #6
            Re: 5/13/2012 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Heat

            Jon berry is such a tool I think he says the opposite of everyone else just to argue he has no idea about anything


            • #7
              Re: 5/13/2012 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Heat


              I'm so pumped for this game
              Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
              Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.


              Originally posted by IrishPacer
              Empty vessels make the most noise.


              • #8
                Re: 5/13/2012 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Heat

                Fez is inactive



                • #9
                  Re: 5/13/2012 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Heat

                  I AM SO READY FOR THIS GAME!!!!


                  • #10
                    Re: 5/13/2012 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Heat

                    Its Tirico and Hubie Brown on ABC for this game right? They are my favorite ESPN duo.


                    • #11
                      Re: 5/13/2012 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Heat

                      Not a fan of Fes being inactive instead of Pendergraph.


                      • #12
                        Re: 5/13/2012 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Heat

                        More excited than a virgin on prom night


                        • #13
                          Re: 5/13/2012 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Heat

                          Originally posted by IUfan4life View Post
                          More excited than a virgin on prom night
                          Hopefully the game isn't over after five minutes.


                          • #14
                            Re: 5/13/2012 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Heat

                            Originally posted by Heisenberg View Post
                            Not a fan of Fes being inactive instead of Pendergraph.
                            I just hope that Fesenko gets to play in the playoffs.
                            Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                            Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.


                            Originally posted by IrishPacer
                            Empty vessels make the most noise.


                            • #15
                              Re: 5/13/2012 NBA Playoffs, Second Round - Game Thread #1: Pacers Vs. Heat

                              Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                              I just hope that Fesenko gets to play in the playoffs.
                              I thought that was the entire point of signing him to "significantly more than the minimum." I hope the real reason wasn't just so Boston couldn't get him.