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4/11/2012 Game Thread #58: Pacers Vs. Cavaliers

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Projected Starting Lineup:
Projected Starting Lineup:

Darren Collison, sore groin, day-to-day
Kyrylo Fesenko, getting into wacky hijinks in Point Place, WI, out

Daniel Gibson, torn tendon-left foot/ankle, out
Kyrie Irving, contused/sprained right shoulder, out
Anderson Varejao, right wrist fracture, out

Minimally Relevant Video:
apologies to cdash's favorite city, but...

Semi-Relevant Video:

Eight Points, Nine Seconds Preview Review:
Jonathan Auping: Superstars Taken Down by Teams

Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, Dwyane Wade, Lebron James and Kobe
Bryant combined for 134 points last night. They each also went to sleep
with one more loss than they had when they woke up with yesterday
morning. They all did their whole “superstar” thing, but it wasn’t enough.
They ran into three teams likely to make the playoffs that, for what they
may lack in superstars, make up for with all-around basketball.

The Houston Rockets beat the Los Angeles Lakers 112-108 and had six
players score in double figures. The Memphis Grizzlies easily beat the
Miami Heat 97-82 with an even more impressive seven players score in
double figures. And of course, the Indiana Pacers outplayed the Oklahoma
City Thunder by accumulating more rebounds, more assists, more steals,
fewer turnovers and, in case you didn’t know, more points on their way to
a 103-98 win.

I don’t want to generalize too much, but it is easy to see the similarities
between the Pacers, Rockets and Grizzlies. They don’t rely on anyone;
they rely on everyone.

Last night, they all had young point guards who played very well against
their championship contender foes. Mike Conley had 15 points, 4 assists
and 3 steals while shooting 63%. Gordon Dragic had 26 points, 11 assists,
4 rebounds and 3 steals while shooting a respectable 42%. And Darren
Collison had 11 points and 3 assists while shooting 43% and playing well
down the stretch. When we hear about the current “Golden Era of Point
Guards,” we never hear about these three guys. But all three of them are
young and already doing what they need to do to help lead their team to

But even more than young point guards, all three teams thrived off of
efficient play from their big men last night. Roy Hibbert set the tone for
the entire game (despite what SportsCenter’s Top Ten may tell you) with
his big time double-double of 21 points and 12 rebounds to go along with
his 50% shooting. Thanks for coming out, Kendrick Perkins. You’re 6 points
and 7 rebounds were pretty cute, I guess. The Pacers also got an efficient
14 points from David West.

Or how about the Rockets’ Luis Scola dropping 25 points off 59% shooting
on Pau Gasol (who only scored 14)? Pair that with his teammate, the
ageless one, Marcus Camby, bringing home 12 points and 11 rebounds
and you have a nightmare for opposing big men. Such a nightmare in fact,
that Andrew Bynum went ahead and had himself thrown out of the game.
Yet again. Nice work, Andrew...CONTINUE READING AT 8p9s

Cavs the Blog
Your Stupid Town

"Have you noticed how their stuff is s— and your s— is stuff?"
–George Carlin

I traveled to Portland a few years ago to spend a long weekend with a friend.
Portland, if you’re unfamiliar, is like if NPR built a city, which is exactly as
wonderful and horrifying as it sounds. We didn’t attend a Blazers game while
we were there—I had just paid to fly 2,100 miles; NBA tickets weren’t
happening—but Blazers paraphernalia is something you can’t miss in Portland.
Or at least I couldn’t. As an NBA junkie, I’m sort of preconditioned to spot
Blazers flags in bar windows, but I suppose you could miss such signage while
spending hours in the city block-sized Powell’s Books, grabbing a food cart
burrito downtown, or while resisting the urge to propose to a pretty twenty-
something in a sundress. (You’re a very attractive city, Portland.) But one of
the most interesting things about the city of Portland, at least to me, are the
pockets of direly committed Blazers fans scattered across the city like so
many snowy clumps of powdered sugar on a piece of artisan french toast.
(You do breakfast correctly, Portland.)

Being a fan of a sports team is an identity marker for a lot of people—note
how many Facebook and Twitter profiles mention a person’s allegiance to a
specific team—but in Portland, being a Blazers fan is an especially unique
identity marker because A.) Portland isn’t a sports town in the vein of
Boston, Cleveland or St. Louis and B.) Portland doesn’t have a professional
baseball, football, or hockey team. (Here I note the existence and rabid
fanbase of the Portland Timbers, but being an American soccer fan is an
identity marker all its own.)

Being a Blazers fan is, I think, being both a part of the city and apart from
the city. It’s like being a fan of Z-Ro, but not Jay-Z. Sure, a lot of people
like Z-Ro—they compose a not-insignificant portion of the rap nerd landscape
—but it’s not like you could fill Madison Square Garden ten times over with
Z-Ro fans. To be a Z-Ro or Blazers acolyte is to be part of a sizable
subculture. Blazers fans are a proud subculture. They rep Portland as
adamantly as anyone. Their identity is held in being both a minority within
their city’s larger culture and an advocate of it.

I’m speaking in broad strokes, and, of course, cities aren’t monoliths. In
fact, their unmonolithicness is sort of the point of them, but for the
purposes of not having to describe the idiosyncrasies of every person
within their borders, we try to define them with a handful of descriptors.
We peg towns with an identity. Think Pittsburgh and industry, Los
Angeles and Hollywood, Miami and strip clubs. There are filmmakers in
Pittsburgh, blue collar workers in Los Angeles, and strippers everywhere,
but we assign certain traits to cities because it’s convenient shorthand
and not altogether false. It’s not like Pittsburgh is Mecca for avant-garde
visual artists, and we’ve just been lying about it for decades.

I have lived in Chicago, a parochial city in its own right, for the past four
years. Despite being a city with manifold cuisine, a theater district. a
phenomenal downtown, myriad diverse neighborhoods—a rich cultural
identity, is what I mean—some of its residents—natives, mostly; Chicago
is kind of a midwestern LA in that it houses a lot of transplants—have a
strange inferiority complex toward the coasts. They bristle at the mention
of New York or Boston or Los Angeles. No city shall be as great as the one
that invented the pickle-adornèd hot dog! It’s weird. Because Chicago’s an
immense, sometimes beguiling city. I sometimes wonder why its residents
—its advocates, really—can’t be satisfied with being a wonderful town in
the middle of the country.

Because there exists no objectively great city or town. Where you live is
a matter of fit, and where you’re from is a matter of what city your
mother was in when her water broke. It’s sort of an arranged marriage:
it will affect you, but you don’t have to develop affection for it. I’m from
a smallish city in upstate New York, and I kind of hate where I’m from.
It’s too small for my liking (both in terms of population and worldview)
and most of its citizens would build a giant metal dome over the town if
they could. They deserve to suffocate beneath a physical manifestation of
their own insularity. Most of them, anyway.

I’m a Cleveland Cavaliers fan because of this town. There were no local
sports teams, so I decided to root for my cousin’s favorite team. So here
I am: a Cavs fan, but not a Clevelander. I’m trying to figure out whether
or not this is important. Ostensibly, it’s not. I’m about as devoted to the
Cavaliers as any fan of the team, and I’ve been to Cleveland a handful of
times. If I had grown up on the shores of Lake Erie, I don’t think I would
be extolling Cleveland’s virtues to non-residents at parties. I’m also just
not wired that way. Some people like to define themselves by the groups
they are a part of—fanbases, cities, country clubs—but I’m not one of
them. One of my favorite things about living in a colossal city is the
anonymity it affords me. I can go days without being recognized on the
street by a friend or acquaintance. I can just a be a dude on the corner,
waiting for the light to change; that recession into nothingness is
comforting to me.

But this strong city-team-self triangle—I’m from Cleveland, I love my
hometown, and I’m a huge Cavaliers fan—is a crucial part of fanhood for
some people. It’s not something that can be easily dismissed. I’m trying to
understand it from the outside. Cities—though they’re really just a mass of
flesh, concrete, and steel—breathe. They are frighteningly organism-like.
And what better way to celebrate that almost-organism than by watching
your favorite sports team— ambassadors of your favorite city—assert their
This is the darkest timeline.

  • #2
    Re: 4/11/2012 Game Thread #58: Pacers Vs. Cavaliers

    Lester Hudson, who's a prospect I like, is averaging 25 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg over the last 3 games. Of course, those games were against TOR, NJ, and CHA, but hey at least they won 2 of 3. Let's see how he fares against the Pacers.


    • #3
      Re: 4/11/2012 Game Thread #58: Pacers Vs. Cavaliers

      Be honest, you have no idea who that picture is of.
      You Got The Tony!!!!!!


      • #4
        Re: 4/11/2012 Game Thread #58: Pacers Vs. Cavaliers

        This one is already over and it hasn't even started. They've got nothing we can't handle and we've got a lot that they can't.


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          Re: 4/11/2012 Game Thread #58: Pacers Vs. Cavaliers

          Originally posted by wintermute View Post
          Lester Hudson, who's a prospect I like, is averaging 25 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg over the last 3 games. Of course, those games were against TOR, NJ, and CHA, but hey at least they won 2 of 3. Let's see how he fares against the Pacers.
          Oh boy, be careful with those stats. Some people around here will want to get rid of Hill and Collison for Lester Hudson.


          • #6
            Re: 4/11/2012 Game Thread #58: Pacers Vs. Cavaliers

            Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
            Oh boy, be careful with those stats. Some people around here will want to get rid of Hill and Collison for Lester Hudson.
            Who shoots about as well as Price. Lester is able to get to the line though and hit at a very high %. That's about all he's got going for himself.
            First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.


            • #7
              Re: 4/11/2012 Game Thread #58: Pacers Vs. Cavaliers

              Originally posted by Sparhawk View Post
              Who shoots about as well as Price. Lester is able to get to the line though and hit at a very high %. That's about all he's got going for himself.
              Hey, to Lester's credit he worked his butt of in the offseason, played great in China, and has taken advantage of a situation in Cleveland. He has probably solidified himself as an NBA player and made some money and a roster for next season if nothing else.

              That said, it seems like whenever someone is hot some on this board want to disband key people on our roster to make a move for that player.


              • #8
                Re: 4/11/2012 Game Thread #58: Pacers Vs. Cavaliers

                If there is such a thing as a schedule loss, this is going to be one..A schedule loss for our opponent..
                Proud owner of 'Dutch Pacers'


                • #9
                  Re: 4/11/2012 Game Thread #58: Pacers Vs. Cavaliers

                  No Collison again tonight, obviously we are resting our star.
                  "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.


                  • #10
                    Re: 4/11/2012 Game Thread #58: Pacers Vs. Cavaliers

                    All the Pacers do is win win win no matter what
                    "I have never taken the high road, but I tell other people to ’cause then there’s more room for me on the low road."


                    • #11
                      Re: 4/11/2012 Game Thread #58: Pacers Vs. Cavaliers

                      Fun fact: Thomas Edison's first motor vehicle, an electric Baker two-seater, was manufactured in Cleveland.


                      • #12
                        Both starting PGs are out. should be an evenly matched game.

                        Oh wait..


                        • #13
                          Re: 4/11/2012 Game Thread #58: Pacers Vs. Cavaliers

                          Is this 3 in a row with the gold uniforms?
                          Time for a new sig.


                          • #14
                            Re: 4/11/2012 Game Thread #58: Pacers Vs. Cavaliers

                            Let's hope we win this. We need this win and Cleveland seems to be in full tank mode so it would benefit them as well. Let's hope we can take care of business.
                            Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
                            Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.


                            Originally posted by IrishPacer
                            Empty vessels make the most noise.


                            • #15
                              Re: 4/11/2012 Game Thread #58: Pacers Vs. Cavaliers

                              oh god this color combo tonight...



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