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  • Paul George "Dunk Competition is a Joke."

    http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsi...uld-take-part/

    George calls dunk competition a “joke” and thinks league’s star players should take part

    The consensus after Pacers practice Monday night was that Paul George should have won the Slam Dunk competition on Saturday.

    George dunked over teammates Roy Hibbert and Dahntay Jones with his first dunk. He wore a glow-in-the-dark uniform and shoes and made a dunk (that was hard to see on TV) with the lights turned off with his second dunk. Then after several failed attempts, he made his third dunk while putting a sticker of Larry Bird on the backboard.

    Still, George had to watch Utah’s Jeremy Evans win the competition.

    Evans dunked two balls, which were thrown up by former Brownsburg High School and Butler standout Gordon Hayward. Evans wore a mini video camera on his ear during another dunk. And he jumped over comedian Kevin Hart, who is almost two feet shorter than the 7-2 Hibbert.

    “(Not to) take nothing away from the dunk contest, (but) it was a joke,” George said. “I guess whoever had the biggest celebrity involved in their dunk was going to be the winner. I guess I should have tried to reach out to some people.

    “If you leave it up to fans, they probably wouldn’t have known who Larry was. I think I was destined to lose it.”

    Fans voted for the winner.

    Coach Frank Vogel said he voted for George (obviously) and he also had some of his neighbors vote for the second-year guard.

    One of Vogel’s daughters even noticed that Hart is a lot of shorter than Hibbert.

    “The winner jumper over a short guy and Paul jumped over a tall guy, so why wouldn’t Paul be the winner,” Vogel recalled his daughter saying after Evans was named the winner.

    George said he believes they should bring back actual judges instead of allowing fans to vote. He also thinks some of the league’s marquee players should take part in the competition.

    “I agree, you have to have the faces of the league come back and get involved in it,” George said. “That’s what really made it big back in the day when you had Jordan and Dominique going at it. That was the All Stars and the guys that were the men in the league. That’s what fans want to see.”
    That's right, George! Get mad!
    Last edited by ksuttonjr76; 02-28-2012, 12:33 AM.


    Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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      I agree with you completely, PG. You should be holding a Slam Dunk trophy right now.

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        PG should hulk up during intros tomorrow night.....
        "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

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          I love the commentary from Frank via his daughter. Also, the Larry Bird sticker was fantastic. I don't know why but I love the fact that these guys pay their respects to him.

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            I think that's why the majority of the real dunkers in the league just don't do it. Lately, it's become more about marketing, advertisements, staged WWE style entertainment than about basketball.

            Last season, McGee should have won it. But when Blake has KIA commercials to do, his spot in the finals is pretty much guaranteed regardless of his earlier rounds. You have capes and people throwing balls in hoops instead of dunking. You have real dunkers like Iggy putting on a show but getting beat out by Nate. DeRozan put on some spectacular dunks too, but can you blame him for turning it down this season? He lost to a KIA.

            I feel like the true dunkers have lost all faith in the competition. And the NBA only has itself to blame.
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              I'd rather let the NBA judges decide who wins....but I'm guessing that this is just another way for the Sponsors ( uhh....Sprite? ) to make more money.

              But to be fair....and I'm sure that I will get some "hate"....but if I wasn't a Pacers fan......I'd think that his comments sound like "sour grapes".

              If you don't know who Larry Bird was...then it's likely that you wouldn't have known who Karl "The Mailman" Malone was...much less whoever the heck that celebrity was that delivered the mail ( I have no clue what his name is...but it was that guy that did the DWade commercials a few months ago ).
              Last edited by CableKC; 02-28-2012, 12:59 AM.
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                I have a feeling that it was all graphicer's fault, I bet he voted for Gordon Hayward like a million times
                Last edited by vnzla81; 02-28-2012, 01:15 AM.
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                  Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                  I'd rather let the NBA judges decide who wins....but I'm guessing that this is just another way for the Sponsors ( uhh....Sprite? ) to make more money.

                  But to be fair....and I'm sure that I will get some "hate"....but if I wasn't a Pacers fan......I'd think that his comments sound like "sour grapes".

                  If you don't know who Larry Bird was...then it's likely that you wouldn't have known who Karl "The Mailman" Malone was...much less whoever the heck that celebrity was that delivered the mail ( I have no clue what his name is...but it was that guy that did the DWade commercials a few months ago ).
                  Kevin Hart. At this moment, he's one of the top African-American comics. I would say top comic, but he's more of an acquired taste comic, and he hasn't reached that 100% appeal like a Eddie Murphy, Bill Cosby, Richard Pryor, etc. Prime example, Kevin Hart won the Celebrity MVP, but I thought the best player easily was Duncan (Secretary of Defense?).


                  Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    I have a feeling that it was all graphicer's fault, I bet he voted for Gordon Hayward like a million times
                    LOL. i was pleased to see him participating. But no I voted for PG about 10 times.

                    I really loved how Hayward had 2 blocks in the rising stars game.
                    You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                      “(Not to) take nothing away from the dunk contest, (but) it was a joke,” George said.
                      If you say it is a joke, I think you are taking away from the dunk contest.
                      "We've got to be very clear about this. We don't want our players hanging around with murderers," said Larry Bird, Pacers president.

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                        Originally posted by ksuttonjr76 View Post
                        Kevin Hart. At this moment, he's one of the top African-American comics. I would say top comic, but he's more of an acquired taste comic, and he hasn't reached that 100% appeal like a Eddie Murphy, Bill Cosby, Richard Pryor, etc. Prime example, Kevin Hart won the Celebrity MVP, but I thought the best player easily was Duncan (Secretary of Defense?).
                        Kevin Hart is what Dane Cook was a few years ago. He's a favorite comedian amongst college aged kids. Definitely not a classic comedian, but hot right now. Him and his friends played against the Uconn women. The video was hilarious, although inappropriate..

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct2ct4sOwqk


                        I think PG's right in that it was a joke. But not because of fan voting. It was more about props than actual dunking. And only Paul George has a shot at being an All Star of that bunch..
                        Last edited by Sookie; 02-28-2012, 02:13 AM.

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                          I have to agree with PG that it has become a joke. I personally don't like all of the props and celebrity help. I think it should be a man with a ball dunking by himself. Leaving it up to the public was to me dumb. I missed seeing the judges. Hopefully they change the rules, bring back the judges or just get rid of it all together because it has more to do with marketing than pure dunking now.

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                            Originally posted by jeffg-body View Post
                            I have to agree with PG that it has become a joke. I personally don't like all of the props and celebrity help. I think it should be a man with a ball dunking by himself. Leaving it up to the public was to me dumb. I missed seeing the judges. Hopefully they change the rules, bring back the judges or just get rid of it all together because it has more to do with marketing than pure dunking now.
                            I agree. The dunk contest was a joke this year. If I wasn't a Pacers fan, IMHO, Paul George had the better collection of dunks. Heck, I don't even mind having the judges for the first two rounds and leave it to fan voting for the two finalist. Once I heard that Buddinger was 2nd in voting, I knew that Paul George was robbed. The finalist should have been George and Williams. Buddinger was very underwhelming and Evans would have scored very poorly on his first dunk.

                            If they want to keep fan voting, then I think it should be only limited to the fans inside the arena. In this day and age, there are too many people who are willing to organize voting campaigns just for the whole sake screwing up the "popular" results. I stopped watching American Idol, because they were dedicated sites that voted for the worse singer of the night.


                            Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                              Well, I knew something was wrong, shady and sickeningly sad , when I was on the nba.com voting page and it let me vote for the winner of the dunk contest BEFORE Jeremy Evans even completed his FIRST DUNK!!!!!

                              Hell I didn't even know that you could vote more than once till someone mentioned it much later on... I thought to myself "that shhhh is WACK!"




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