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  • AJ deserves some props

    He has been crushed on here , sometimes with me leading the charge. There were times he deserved our frustration and at times maybe a little over the top, but...... Its time to give him his well deserved props for his play over the past 5 games.

    http://www.nba.com/pacers/caught_web...012_02_20.html

    This is not to demean A.J. Price or Lance Stephenson, the two players whose roles increased while Hill was out. Price, in particular, represented himself well. It took a couple of games to shake off the rust from the end of the bench, but Price has come around nicely, averaging 9.8 points, 2.6 assists and .485 shooting in the last five games
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    If he wouldn't be such a black hole, he wouldn't be bashed so much. If he took from Dahntay a bit this year, he should learn to pass a few times.


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    • #3
      Re: AJ deserves some props

      I don't get why it always has to be Lance vs. AJ. The only regular minutes Lance is getting is at shooting guard, which AJ doesn't even play. It doesn't matter wether or not Lance can play point guard or not because at least this season he isn't being used there except when we need size and strength. If you want to advocate for AJ price he needs to earn minutes from George Hill or DC. If Stephenson wants more minutes he needs to get them from DJ or GH. Taking PG minutes away from GH, is a different issue than Lance getting minutes at the 2.

      I am tired of AJ supporters attacking Lance Stephenson's 5-10 minutes a game, simply because he is easier than trying to say their guy is better than George HIll. If AJ goes back to the bench it has nothing to do with Lance Stephenson. The only times Lance has really had increased minutes is when Danny was injured and when PG was in foul trouble.
      I expect when GH comes back, Lance will keep his 5-10 minutes a game.

      I would just appreciate the AJ Price fan club would debate AJ vs. GH, instead of picking on the youngest player on the team. AJ and Lance's playing time really have nothing to do with each other at the moment.

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      • #4
        Re: AJ deserves some props

        Seems like a nice guy, good teammate, likable.

        My few complaints in the Bobcats game involved AJ. X's and O's guys please weigh in..

        He was loosing his man on screens - I do not know what the trick is but he needs to work on it. The defensive breakdowns come from the opposing point guard.

        TOO much dribbling. Leading to last second desperation shots. This may be because he dribbles too much or that the other guys are not moving enough. I will go 50/50 - even then not a compliment.
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        • #5
          Re: AJ deserves some props

          Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
          I don't get why it always has to be Lance vs. AJ. . . AJ and Lance's playing time really have nothing to do with each other at the moment.
          Generally I agree with you, but here they're linked because they're both getting some of George Hill's time while he's out.
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          • #6
            Re: AJ deserves some props

            I love Juice. I think he's played very well lately. I don't really think I agree with the "black hole" label, though. When he's in with guys who can score (D-West, Roy) He usually looks to get the ball into them.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Day-V View Post
              I love Juice. I think he's played very well lately. I don't really think I agree with the "black hole" label, though. When he's in with guys who can score (D-West, Roy) He usually looks to get the ball into them.
              The problem is when he isn't he takes way too long to make a decision, resulting in dribbling the shot clock away. He then takes a shot to avoid the 24 second violation. That's what I mean by black hole.


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                Re: AJ deserves some props

                Originally posted by spazzxb View Post
                I don't get why it always has to be Lance vs. AJ. The only regular minutes Lance is getting is at shooting guard, which AJ doesn't even play. It doesn't matter wether or not Lance can play point guard or not because at least this season he isn't being used there except when we need size and strength. If you want to advocate for AJ price he needs to earn minutes from George Hill or DC. If Stephenson wants more minutes he needs to get them from DJ or GH. Taking PG minutes away from GH, is a different issue than Lance getting minutes at the 2.

                I am tired of AJ supporters attacking Lance Stephenson's 5-10 minutes a game, simply because he is easier than trying to say their guy is better than George HIll. If AJ goes back to the bench it has nothing to do with Lance Stephenson. The only times Lance has really had increased minutes is when Danny was injured and when PG was in foul trouble.
                I expect when GH comes back, Lance will keep his 5-10 minutes a game.

                I would just appreciate the AJ Price fan club would debate AJ vs. GH, instead of picking on the youngest player on the team. AJ and Lance's playing time really have nothing to do with each other at the moment.
                That's not true, before Hill got hurt Lance was primarily playing the pg, with Hill at sg and Price getting Pendergraph type minutes

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                • #9
                  Re: AJ deserves some props

                  Originally posted by efhead View Post
                  Seems like a nice guy, good teammate, likable.

                  My few complaints in the Bobcats game involved AJ. X's and O's guys please weigh in..

                  He was loosing his man on screens - I do not know what the trick is but he needs to work on it. The defensive breakdowns come from the opposing point guard.

                  TOO much dribbling. Leading to last second desperation shots. This may be because he dribbles too much or that the other guys are not moving enough. I will go 50/50 - even then not a compliment.
                  AJ's usually pretty good with that, but he was losing his guy last night, uncharacteristically. It might have been because it was Kemba, and Kemba's pretty darn fast. But he was just slow on defense regardless. (which has been uncharacteristic for the season) It might have also been a huge lead, and so he wasn't as energized defensively..who knows. It's certainly not a pattern with AJ though, so nothing to complain too much about, unless it becomes one. Although I agree, I didn't think he defended too well last game, and he's shown he can defend Kemba quite well just from the previous Charlotte game.

                  Most of the time, he passes the ball as soon as he gets it up court. But sometimes he'll dribble. He's doing this because he's waiting for our post player (Hans) to get in good position, and a lot of times (because teams know what we are doing, I'd assume) Tyler doesn't get it. Which gives us a lot less time for a shot. It's something he's always done, and I don't really have an issue with it, (because better a good entry pass than a bad one) but if you haven't watched him play enough, you might not realize that's what he's doing. (As over dribbling tends to be considered a bad habit.)

                  I do think part of the problem is when he finds something that's working, he'll repeatedly go back to it. So the first time it's decently easy for Tyler to post up. Around the sixth time team's have caught on. :P Then again, the bench unit isn't exactly the most offensively potent group without Hill.

                  Lance vs. AJ..because I think Hill is a SG, and I think he should be playing SG. I've really got no problem with Lance playing a few minutes of development time, if Larry insists, I just think we need to have a point guard in the game at all times.
                  Last edited by Sookie; 02-21-2012, 12:28 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: AJ deserves some props

                    He does have a little Travis Best in him, likes to dribble the ball

                    I've thought AJ has been solid. Doesn't turn it over like crazy, confident shooter (Finally making them now too, haha). Seems like a nice dude too.

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                    • #11
                      Re: AJ deserves some props

                      Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                      Generally I agree with you, but here they're linked because they're both getting some of George Hill's time while he's out.
                      A lot of the backup 2 guard minutes have been given to Dahantay Jones. Lance did get extra minutes occasionally, but not a lot other than when PG was in foul trouble and the game where Danny was injured. For example; against New Jersey Lance played less than 5 minutes.

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                      • #12
                        Re: AJ deserves some props

                        A.J. has picked up the defensive intensity since the New Jersey game.


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                        • #13
                          Re: AJ deserves some props

                          AJ has played well lately and he is a Pacer, and a NY'er to boot so Im happy for him

                          Ireally think AJ can offer more than DC if their jump shot is off. When DC is not scoring he cant really offer much else. I think AJ can still run the offense and pay a little better d
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                          • #14
                            Re: AJ deserves some props

                            Sorry but I don't trust those numbers, there is a reason why you look at what a player has done all year and not the last five games or the last two games.
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                            • #15
                              Re: AJ deserves some props

                              Originally posted by TheDavisBrothers View Post
                              That's not true, before Hill got hurt Lance was primarily playing the pg, with Hill at sg and Price getting Pendergraph type minutes
                              GH and Lance did share the ball alot more than we see now, however Vogals "lance will get most his minutes at the 2"(not a direct quote) statement came prior to GH being injured. Lance did play PG in the game that George Hill was injured, but that was due specifically to matchup issues(DWill+Marrow). Lance was subbing for Paul George, in the games immediately prior to GH's injury.

                              I do think it is hard to distinguish who is the actual point guard when LS and GH play together, however I don't view that as a negative.

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