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Should we rent Chris Kaman?

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  • #31
    Re: Should we rent Chris Kaman?

    Originally posted by Hicks View Post
    You're that worried about Tyler Hansbrough (and it would be him who lost out) being upset? I'm not. Put his "I'm all about winning" attitude to the test if necessary; I think it's true and he'll suck it up, but if I'm wrong then he was a fraud anyway and we've outed him sooner rather than later (IE before we would offer him a new contract).
    It only takes one bad apple to spoil a bunch. I'm not calling Tyler a bad apple but right now, unless all of this is a bunch of smoke and mirrors which I don't beleive it is, then our team's togetherness (for lack of a better term) is as high as any team we've ever had.

    I'm not saying he will demand a trade or not play hard, but he won't be happy and he is not A.J. Price in terms of our teams identity. The phrase smashmouth basketball was pretty much coined with him as the the identity.

    But I've already said for Barac or even a couple of 2nd round picks you almost can't pass it up. If nothing else if Roy goes down Kaman can start rigth now and the dropoff would still be there but not as bad as it would be if you had to rely on West starting or Lou starting.


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    • #32
      Re: Should we rent Chris Kaman?

      MAKE TRADE AWAY STANKO BEING BAD DECISION! NO SENSE HAVE THINK TRADE OVER FUTURE VICTORY SUCCESS!
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      • #33
        Re: Should we rent Chris Kaman?

        Originally posted by Pacer Fan View Post
        His salary is actually 14mil cause of a trade clause in his contract increased it. But Pacers can still take it on with no need to send out a player.

        For a team to get him with no outgoing players they have to be approx. 14 mil under cap. No other team can do this that is playoff contention. But it wouldn't stop a team to make a trade for him.
        The Hornets are over the Salary Cap at $65 mil....the NOLA FO / Stern won't want to pay LT...so they will be looking to avoid taking back salary. I'd assume that if a Team over the SalaryCap could only take back Salary that is close to the $12.5 to $14 mil that Kaman is owed. I could be wrong...but this means that the Hornets would still be over the Cap even if they traded Kaman to a Team over the Cap.

        As you suggest....the only way to get under the $60 mil Cap is to trade him to a Team that can absorb most of the salary...like the Pacers.
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        • #34
          Re: Should we rent Chris Kaman?

          With the way we're playing and winning right now, I think you tuck these data points in your pocket, look at the record come all-star break, and make your move. If we're closer to .500 at that point, you give it some thought.

          If we're still .650+, my team is on the floor.

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          • #35
            Re: Should we rent Chris Kaman?

            Originally posted by StankoLover216 View Post
            MAKE TRADE AWAY STANKO BEING BAD DECISION! NO SENSE HAVE THINK TRADE OVER FUTURE VICTORY SUCCESS!
            That's exactly what I was going to say.

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            • #36
              Re: Should we rent Chris Kaman?

              Originally posted by docpaul View Post
              With the way we're playing and winning right now, I think you tuck these data points in your pocket, look at the record come all-star break, and make your move. If we're closer to .500 at that point, you give it some thought.

              If we're still .650+, my team is on the floor.
              Adding a Player like Kaman to the mix at a cost that does not affect the "Starting 7" while replacing Amundson/Foster/Pendegraph in the lineup won't make the Team worst...if anything...it will improve it by leaps and bounds.
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              • #37
                Re: Should we rent Chris Kaman?

                Originally posted by LoneGranger33 View Post
                Well, if what Unclebuck says is correct, it might be the best move to wait. Why make a deal for a player now that you can get at half-price later? In addition, he'll be rested from not getting his usual minutes and maybe we'll even get a discount because he'll no longer be a major part of the rotation (and thus appear less valuable to the Hornets). Who knows, right?
                Yeah but the price the Pacers would have to pay now is not that high anyway, I think right now is like 8mil maybe less?
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                • #38
                  Re: Should we rent Chris Kaman?

                  Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                  The Hornets are over the Salary Cap at $65 mil....the NOLA FO / Stern won't want to pay LT...so they will be looking to avoid taking back salary. I'd assume that if a Team over the SalaryCap could only take back Salary that is close to the $12.5 to $14 mil that Kaman is owed. I could be wrong...but this means that the Hornets would still be over the Cap even if they traded Kaman to a Team over the Cap.

                  As you suggest....the only way to get under the $60 mil Cap is to trade him to a Team that can absorb most of the salary...like the Pacers.
                  Your right, but a third team can take on a high contract from a possible playoff team that is riding the cap and then be able to bring in Kaman. Hornets then could either bring in someone with a small contract or just draft pick(s). That type of trade could happen. Doubtful but not out of the realms of possibilities. I'm sure Kaman will be moved, unless one of there bigs get a major injury before a trade.
                  Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                  • #39
                    Re: Should we rent Chris Kaman?

                    Originally posted by docpaul View Post
                    With the way we're playing and winning right now, I think you tuck these data points in your pocket, look at the record come all-star break, and make your move. If we're closer to .500 at that point, you give it some thought.

                    If we're still .650+, my team is on the floor.
                    I don't understand this. Why not aim even higher? It's not as if there's a big chance of this making us worse.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Should we rent Chris Kaman?

                      Wow, I'm surprised at the modest opinions of the value he could add to our team - especially come playoff time. I'm vnzla's co-pilot on this one.


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                      • #41
                        Re: Should we rent Chris Kaman?

                        Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                        I don't understand this. Why not aim even higher? It's not as if there's a big chance of this making us worse.
                        Exactly, I don't care if we were 17-0 right now, if you have a chance to send Kaman out on the court instead of Lou then you do it.
                        Last edited by The Sleeze; 01-27-2012, 04:16 PM.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Should we rent Chris Kaman?

                          Heck, I'd offer a 2013 2nd and the GSW 2015 2nd if need be to get the deal done. If Kaman came here, he may be interested of signing a reasonable contract for a few years. Taking Jeff's spot. 28 minutes of Roy and 20 minutes of Kaman per game is to good to be true. I just hope Kaman doesn't get out of shape riding the pine and not getting many practices in.
                          Garbage players get 1st round picks, (WTF)! All of the NBA must hate the Pacers! LOL

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                          • #43
                            Re: Should we rent Chris Kaman?

                            Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                            I don't understand this. Why not aim even higher? It's not as if there's a big chance of this making us worse.
                            I think some people are just happy to make it to the 1st round of the playoffs and make some noise, I get to read the same thing in almost every thread, I don't understand this thinking, if we could ad a piece or two that put us at least in the ECF why not do it?
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                            • #44
                              Re: Should we rent Chris Kaman?

                              I think I've been the biggest proponent of going after Kaman on this board, so YES go after Kaman. He's a big man who plays his game in the paint. He's hard to move on post D which is something we just don't have right now. If the price is right I'd like to see us go after him now. If not, I hope he's a target in the offseason. I don't know what his value will be next year but I expect his price to go down from where he is. We can afford Hibbert and Kaman on this team. Having Kaman gives us another quality big man that should make it easier to trade for a point guard next year.
                              I think Kaman would justify more minutes then giving him what Lou gets though. Kaman could easily play some time at the 4 if we need. At the very least we should always have either Kaman or Hibbert on the floor at the 5.
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                              Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Should we rent Chris Kaman?

                                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                                I think some people are just happy to make it to the 1st round of the playoffs and make some noise, I get to read the same thing in almost every thread, I don't understand this thinking, if we could ad a piece or two that put us at least in the ECF why not do it?
                                I guess the question is what the cost would be to get Kaman.
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