The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

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  • Quick game review...

    I've been a Pacers fan all of my life. I've seen big wins & I've seen big losses. I've seen some of our teams overachieve & I've seen others underachieve. I've been on my feet cheering Reggie's three's & I've yelled for a Dale dunk.

    But I'll be d@mned if I can think of a much better more inspiring game than last night.

    Usually I would give a good, bad & ugly on a game review.

    But last night get's none of that.

    It was all good. Sure some things could have gone better & I wish Croshere would have grabbed some more boards or that Jackson might have shot a little better.

    But this was a rag tag team that was thrown together out there & the system won.

    Even though Big Z tore it up I thought Pollard fought like a warrior.

    Even though Croshere didn't rebound worth a d@mn I thought he was as clutch as any player we've seen on the floor. Two big three's & a huge steal at the end of the game.

    Ron Artest played a great great great game. I won't lie & tell you I wasn't worried that he would throw up 35 shots or some such crap. But IMO, he only forced maybe one shot all night long. His defense on King James was stifiling as usual. Fans of Artest can be very proud of him last night.

    Jamaal Tinsley was out of his mind good. I've seen him play a better game when he was a rookie but I don't think I've ever seen him play a more complete game.

    Jon Bender was a force in a very short time.

    Fred Jones was solid & IMO, showed he deseres a spot in the rotation.

    Even Gill was like a deadeye sniper from the floor.

    I guess if you have to find one cloud in the sky it was probably that Harrison definately was out of shape & will not be a real contributer any time soon. But even that can be forgiven because his training camp & pre-season was cut short.

    That was a great game. 11/3/04 will go down as one hell of a great day for me.

    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

  • #2
    Re: Quick game review...

    One thing your review failed to say specifically was that the team showed heart last night. A little talent and a lot of heart goes a long way. I didn't see anyone looking like they were just going thru the motions or playing for their stat sheet. They were simply playing, as a team, to win.

    I'll take that every game regardless of who is on the floor or the final score. (The fact is with those things the final scores will take care of itself more times than not).

    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.


    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

    -John Wooden


    • #3
      Re: Quick game review...

      The best way I think I could put it......

      The team was a force.... Like a zombie you shoot and it just keeps comimg after you no matter how many rounds you unload into it.

      Big Z was unloading on them all night... then they took a huge shot gun type blast from James at the end of regulation... The just stood up like zombies and came at the cavs again and again...

      In the end it was the Cavs team that faded not the brokedown, half-missing P's.


      • #4
        Re: Quick game review...

        More than anything the Pacers played a very spirited game, they played together, they played hard.


        • #5
          Re: Quick game review...

          Very impressive win. The one thing I kept thinking over and over was how glad I was that Ron Artest is still in a Pacer uniform.
          "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
          - Benjamin Franklin


          • #6
            Re: Quick game review...

            I stated pretty much the same thing in another thread without Peck's astutue observations. Very impressive game - very impressive win.
            The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.


            • #7
              Re: Quick game review...

              One thing I liked about Jackson was his ability to
              affect the game even though his shooting was off
              last night. He had 10 rebounds and he is an excellent passer with excellent floor vision. He will
              help keep the offense moving and other players involved with that ability. Not to pick on Harrington
              but that would not have happened if he was having an off shooting night.

              I was doubtful about Jackson a little because I did
              not realized the complete game he has.
              I am becoming convinced that was a good trade.



              • #8
                Re: Quick game review...

                I'll do a quick good, bad & ugly...

                Sorry I haven't had time to read everything yet, so I may repeat some stuff from above or in other threads. I think I'll be back in later this morning.


                Tinsley in the OTs - maybe he's going to be able to play > 28mpg this season without really fading down the stretch.

                The Ron v. LeBron matchup - man, that's going to be a great matchup to watch from years to come. I don't fault Ron for playing less effectively down the stretch (than he did during the first three quarters) - carrying the offensive load and defending LBJ

                Down the stretch and overtime - both teams made great plays - Tinsley, Croshere and Artest hit numerous big shots for the Pacers; Z, LeBron and McInnis came through for the Cavs. Its great to watch a hotly contested game in which offensive players make plays.

                Bender's aggressive offense - especially during his first rotation - really gave us a boost when it looked like Cleveland's bench was going to give them momentum.


                We took entirely too many three-pointers, that's got to stop. We aren't a very good 3pt shooting team, I don't want Bender, Croshere, or Jackson shooting them, even if they are hitting.

                Harrison's first game, after missing virtually all of training camp. I didn't expect anything else but let's call it what it was - getting your shot blocked twice by Traylor is B-A-D bad.

                Mark Price as a color commentator. Not polished at all. As smart of a player as he was, I thought he'd have more to offer.


                The Pollard/Z matchup. At least Pollard stayed out of foul trouble and got some hustle tip-ins.

                Fred Jones ballhandling and decision-making with the ball. If he keeps that up, I'll be fine with AJ/Gill as the backup PGs.

                That was an inspiring win. I didn't start watching until 9pm, so that's two late nights in a row. I'm exhausted, and I've got a lot of work to do.
                Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                And life itself, rushing over me
                Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


                • #9
                  Re: Quick game review...

                  Last night was a great win. We played well TOGETHER most of all. I didnt see anyone trying to do too much. Tinsley played one of the best games ive ever seen him play. Pollard looked like he was back in Sactown. He had energy. Bender boy o boy Bender if he can stay healthy he will be a force. Im still optimistic about him, but i think he still has alot to prove. David Harrison is one big boy, but will need lots more time to show what he can do. Fred Jones, well honestly i dont know what people see in him. He will be a good role player. Overall a well played game and a great team effort.



                  • #10
                    Re: Quick game review...


                    Missed the whole thing.

                    I was supposed to go to the Nora Jones concert, but wasn't feeling well and the wife had to work so I gave our tickets away. I figured not so bad, I can watch the Pacers.

                    Then my wife called and said she was having problems writing some Access queries. So I go and help her out... only to get home about 11:15.

                    BUT..... Thanks for the summaries, guys. Sounds like a great start to the season.


                    • #11
                      Re: Quick game review...

                      One thing that really was amazing as someone has already pointed otu was the way the Ca, mainly James kept hitting shot after shot in the final seconds.

                      The Pacers did too, but the Cavs really wouldn't die, yes like zombies.

                      Just an old fashion shootout. Now watch Boston give us fits.


                      • #12
                        Re: Quick game review...

                        Jay, you don't want Bender, Croshere, or Jackson shooting 3's? Wow. Just... wow.


                        • #13
                          Re: Quick game review...

                          I don't want anybody shooting threes, but I tolerate it from Reggie.

                          I want Bender, Croshere and Jackson stepping into 17-18 feet and shooting a higher percentage shot.

                          This obsession with the 3pt line is killing FG% and offensive efficiency at all levels of basketball.
                          Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                          Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                          Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                          Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                          And life itself, rushing over me
                          Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                          Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you


                          • #14
                            Re: Quick game review...

                            It seemed that I saw JB camping out on the 3 point line more than not. If JB were to move more without the ball inside he could have almost any shot he wanted with his athletic abilty and his wing span.


                            • #15
                              Re: Quick game review...

                              Originally posted by Jay@Section204
                              I don't want anybody shooting threes, but I tolerate it from Reggie.

                              I want Bender, Croshere and Jackson stepping into 17-18 feet and shooting a higher percentage shot.

                              This obsession with the 3pt line is killing FG% and offensive efficiency at all levels of basketball.
                              you would rather have not had austin make thos couple of 3's ? which helped us get back the edge in the game. I guess I kinda feel it's a damned if you do and damned if you don't kinda thing.

                              I dunno sometimes I think when we have a lead in get into shooting alot of 3's that upsets me more , but sometimes it's those timely 3's that can spark us on a roll , especially tinsely's last 3.

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