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Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

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  • #16
    Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

    Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
    You want to know why it doesn't work like that on this team? Because we have no one like those players. We have no one that you can consistently give the ball to and expect them to score. The closest thing we have to a consistent threat on offense is the kick out to George for a 3. We have no shooters and our scorers aren't very good scorers. He took a bad shot that wouldn't even rank on agranger's top 5 bad shots from any given game the past two seasons.

    Let me say something about the turnover. Bad play yeah of course, but you don't see people get crucified when they give up easy offensives rebounds which are far worse. Then there was the time a couple games ago when Granger stole a ball but was about to fall out of bounds. Instead of falling out of bounds or throwing it to the other end he threw it straight to the other team for an easy basket. Yet he didn't get half the flake Price is getting for doing something far worse.
    We have 3 starters who have far superior offensive talent than everyone other player on this team. They should get the ball thrown through them almost every trip down the court. This will create offense for everyone. The nice thing is with both Roy and Paul, both are very unselfish players so when you run the offense through them they will consistently hit teammates for open shots.

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    • #17
      Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

      I'm amazed no one speaks about Roy's game (or hardly)

      He showed us he is more then a level above last year, he ate the Philly frontline like lite toast

      how,many fouls they commit on him? lots i am sure, just like the previous game, double teams on him when fighting for position seems to become the norm as well.

      but indeed Peck, kaaching!

      But I's still happy we have him!
      So Long And Thanks For All The Fish.

      If you've done 6 impossible things today?
      Then why not have Breakfast at Milliways!

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      • #18
        Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

        Yeah, Roy continues to improve year by year and looks like he has taken a major step this season. He was scoring at will on Philly. I love having him. The only thing I'm worried about is keeping him. I wish we could lock him up for an extension before he's a FA in 2013 because he will get some massive offers if he tests the waters. By the time he's a FA, he could be averaging something like 18/10.
        Last edited by Sollozzo; 01-10-2012, 11:02 AM.

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        • #19
          Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

          Originally posted by Kemo
          And to think, I haven't even mentioned Hansbrough, who has a very good shot at making an all star game if he keeps up his level of play and improves upon it..
          I even think he would make the all-defensive team... probably BEFORE he makes an all star appearance as a reserve..
          "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

          -Lance Stephenson

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          • #20
            Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

            I really wish we would send Lance to the D-League. Getting regular playing time will only help him. I think at this point, he knows not to get into trouble. Now it's about him getting better on the court.
            First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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            • #21
              Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

              I don't think people talk much about Roy, because it's expected. I think that's what everyone realistically pictured Roy as, a guy who could go out and get you 14-20pts on any given night with 50+% shooting and 8-9 rebounds. It should be talked about more, because that's not what Roy has been in the past.

              It's really gonna be nice when Roy's big games are in the form of 25pts 15rebs. Surely he'll have a few of those this year.



              AJ is confusing. Put him at the 1, and he plays the spot pretty darn well. Put him at the 2, and he thinks he needs to shoot way more often than he should. I understand being a little more offensive minded, but he goes from zero to sixty without anything inbetween.

              For as good as he is about keeping the ball moving while playing PG, he can sure stop it when he's playing sg.
              Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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              • #22
                Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

                I'm telling you guys, someone placed a curse on our SF spot this year. Does anyone know how to break a curse?
                First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                • #23
                  Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

                  Originally posted by Kemo View Post
                  And to think, I haven't even mentioned Hansbrough, who has a very good shot at making an all star game if he keeps up his level of play and improves upon it..
                  I even think he would make the all-defensive team... probably BEFORE he makes an all star appearance as a reserve..

                  You cant be serious

                  I dont know what is crazier him being an all star or him being an All defensive teamer. Tyler plays no where near all defense. I would be happy would just average defense from him.

                  and an all star come on now that is just crazy talk

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                  • #24
                    Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

                    Roy has been our most consistent player. He started off this way last year too and faded rather quickly. The key for Hibbert is to keep that consistency.

                    You also see that when we move the ball good things happen. Also, when we feed the post to Hibbert, good things tend too happen. All to often, we stop moving the ball and stop feeding Hibbert, and go 1 on 1 or ISOs, bad things happen.

                    I think we've found our offensive identity, we just need to focus on that and execute.
                    First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

                      For me, the dumbest play of the night came from Price when he threw the ball to DC on that 4-1 breakaway. He had 2 bigger guys trailing...why don't you throw the ball to them instead of a shorter DC who had a bad angle.

                      Seriously started to rip my hair out on that.

                      Still, I think AJ should get more minutes over Lance. I hope Bird sees that Lance is behaving and just needs more court time and is willing to send him to the DLeague to develop. C'mon Bird, Lance can't get better playing 8 minutes a game.
                      First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

                        Originally posted by able View Post
                        I'm amazed no one speaks about Roy's game (or hardly)

                        He showed us he is more then a level above last year, he ate the Philly frontline like lite toast
                        You know why I think he's actually turned a corner?

                        He's put up some good numbers and played great, yet I don't feel like he's had a "big" game yet. Last year if Roy had 20 and 8 or 19 and 8, I'd be thinking, "Way to go, Roy!" but he's making it look like its what he should be doing out there, and not some abherration.

                        With that said, the game against the Hawks is going to be a huge test for the guy. He's struggled against that front line in the past.
                        "man, PG has been really good."

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                        • #27
                          Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

                          Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post

                          I dont know what is crazier him being an all star or him being an All defensive teamer. Tyler plays no where near all defense. I would be happy would just average defense from him.
                          All D, easy. The guy can score. He's a popular player. With a big year, he could find himself on an all-star team. But All D? Never.
                          "man, PG has been really good."

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                          • #28
                            Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

                            It's not any particular incident—A.J. missing the same shot twice, missing the easy pass to Collison, Lance missing the layup or having a rebound bounce off his hands, Paul George missing the last second dunk or charging once or twice.

                            It's that none of those guys were able to get anything else going. Mistakes will be made. Mistakes SHOULD be made. But at some point you step up and make something happen. None of those guys did that on a night the red carpet was laid out for them to do so.

                            Disappointing.
                            "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                            • #29
                              Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

                              Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                              It's not any particular incident—A.J. missing the same shot twice, missing the easy pass to Collison, Lance missing the layup or having a rebound bounce off his hands, Paul George missing the last second dunk or charging once or twice.

                              It's that none of those guys were able to get anything else going. Mistakes will be made. Mistakes SHOULD be made. But at some point you step up and make something happen. None of those guys did that on a night the red carpet was laid out for them to do so.

                              Disappointing.
                              We missed a lot of layups and close shots.

                              We still miss wide open jumpers.

                              On paper, this should be a high % shooting team. I feel at some point we'll start hitting those shots. It just needs to be sooner rather than later.
                              First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Odd Thoughts: Philadelphia Freedom

                                Yeah AJ Price was horrible, he should go back to the bench unless somebody breaks a leg or something.

                                DJ was OK but he was bad at times doing his best Tyreke Evans impersonation, overall he did better than Danny, making 50% of his shots with 2ast and 3reb and good D.

                                DC was really bad, I am sorry but I keep hoping we get an upgrade in his position, he is just not that good.

                                Tyler, I hope he is OK, we needed him to close the deal and he got hurt.

                                Dwest, Yep he looks old and slow, his recovery is going to take as long as I expected probably a year or two, in paper he is supposed to be the second best player on the team but he is not ready yet.

                                Roy is a beast I'm really happy that we have him, he has been really solid so far.

                                PG, well his numbers were as bad as Danny's, the only difference is that this is PG second year in the NBA and I would cut him some slack because of it.
                                @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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