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  • Postgame Thread Pacers-Pistons

    What, no postgame thread when we lose?

    Come on guys, let's learn to eat our spinach.

    Well, it wasn't fun to watch, but those who've watched this sport long enough know some nights just aren't your night. Win streaks don't usually last very long and teams that haven't won in a while get desperate.

    Jerepko seems to be some kind of super human creature on steroids. At least against us.

    The next game will be instructive. Remember how many times Mark Jackson would say: We're a veteran team and we don't allow a loss to get us too low? (Or something like that).

    Let's see how much better we've gotten by how we react to this loss.
    "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference


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    Re: Postgame Thread Pacers-Pistons

    I really hope this loss gets the team thinking about how they shouldn't take the lesser teams for granted. We showed that if we would have played the way we played towards the end of the game we could have beat them easily. I actually liked the way we came out to start the game, we had a lot of energy and weren't gonna let them think they could get their first win. Then we brought in the bench and things just seemed to collapse. I never knew Jerebko was capable of such things, he could become their go-to guy. I will admit I got pretty mad during the game, but after cooling down I realize that we can't win every game.... As long as we keep a winning record I'm good I guess.

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      Re: Postgame Thread Pacers-Pistons

      What can you say? Pretty freakin' ugly loss. This is to be expected with a young team, but that is in no way an excuse for 40 minutes of uninspired play. All things considered, however, I expect a win over NJ Monday and a very competitive game Wednesday against the Heat. Growing pains, people. Growing Pains. If you don't see maturation at game 30, be worried. For now, relax...

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        Re: Postgame Thread Pacers-Pistons

        Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
        What, no postgame thread when we lose?

        Come on guys, let's learn to eat our spinach.

        Well, it wasn't fun to watch, but those who've watched this sport long enough know some nights just aren't your night. Win streaks don't usually last very long and teams that haven't won in a while get desperate.

        Jerepko seems to be some kind of super human creature on steroids. At least against us.

        The next game will be instructive. Remember how many times Mark Jackson would say: We're a veteran team and we don't allow a loss to get us too low? (Or something like that).

        Let's see how much better we've gotten by how we react to this loss.
        It's a good point. Lets strive for no back to back losses.

        In all honesty, the only way we'll win with our offense as it is is with defense. We had it the first 3 games and we got torched tonight. No defense no win. It does beg the question, when will offense become the focal point of the coaching staff. Vogel said there is too much one on one basketball going on, but we had the same problem under JOB. Is this a team problem or coaching problem or just a give it time problem?

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          Re: Postgame Thread Pacers-Pistons

          Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
          What, no postgame thread when we lose?

          Come on guys, let's learn to eat our spinach.

          Well, it wasn't fun to watch, but those who've watched this sport long enough know some nights just aren't your night. Win streaks don't usually last very long and teams that haven't won in a while get desperate.

          Jerepko seems to be some kind of super human creature on steroids. At least against us.

          The next game will be instructive. Remember how many times Mark Jackson would say: We're a veteran team and we don't allow a loss to get us too low? (Or something like that).

          Let's see how much better we've gotten by how we react to this loss.


          +1
          Speaking of Mark Jackson, I just aquired his '88-'89 Fleer rookie card in mint..

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            Re: Postgame Thread Pacers-Pistons

            Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
            What, no postgame thread when we lose?

            New year's eve.

            There will be plenty of postgame threads with future losses.

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              Re: Postgame Thread Pacers-Pistons

              If Granger is going to shoot 30% from the field all season long we won't get too far.
              Originally posted by Piston Prince
              Bobcat fans telling us to cheer up = epic fail season
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                Re: Postgame Thread Pacers-Pistons

                I missed the game tonight. Why did Roy only get 7 shots?

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                  Re: Postgame Thread Pacers-Pistons

                  Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post

                  Jerepko seems to be some kind of super human creature on steroids. At least against us.
                  I still don't quite get this line of thinking.

                  Jonas is a good player, and he spent 18 straight months since his last real NBA action working his *** off trying to improve his range, which seems to have produced results.

                  That said, Jonas did not make one contested shot all game long. He never attempted one.

                  His performance tonight was less about him making great plays and more about him running David West into the ground. He didn't suddenly get stronger since last week. West simply could not deal with his constant motion off the ball. and he seemed unwilling to step out on the perimeter and give up the drive. Jonas had time to set his feet and measure on practically every shot.

                  It might be best for Vogel to limit West's minutes on the 2nd game of back-to-backs, if his knees are really bothering him this much on zero rest.

                  Also, Tyler is playing too fast right now. He had similar opportunities all game, but he was rushing his shots when he didn't have to, and plowing into guys that were already set defensively. I realize he's the only guy on Indiana's 2nd unit that can effectively create his own offense, but his one real weakness in the NBA seems to be that he still hasn't learned to slow himself down and let the game come to him. He makes some routine plays look very difficult.
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                    Re: Postgame Thread Pacers-Pistons

                    Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                    I still don't quite get this line of thinking.

                    Jonas is a good player, and he spent 18 straight months since his last real NBA action working his *** off trying to improve his range, which seems to have produced results.

                    That said, Jonas did not make one contested shot all game long. He never attempted one.

                    His performance tonight was less about him making great plays and more about him running David West into the ground. He didn't suddenly get stronger since last week. West simply could not deal with his constant motion off the ball. and he seemed unwilling to step out on the perimeter and give up the drive. Jonas had time to set his feet and measure on practically every shot.

                    It might be best for Vogel to limit West's minutes on the 2nd game of back-to-backs, if his knees are really bothering him this much on zero rest.

                    Also, Tyler is playing too fast right now. He had similar opportunities all game, but he was rushing his shots when he didn't have to, and plowing into guys that were already set defensively. I realize he's the only guy on Indiana's 2nd unit that can effectively create his own offense, but his one real weakness in the NBA seems to be that he still hasn't learned to slow himself down and let the game come to him. He makes some routine plays look very difficult.
                    Seems like Detroit always drafts good players in the 2nd rd. Starting with Tom Van Arsdale out of Indy and all the way up to today. Seems like every few years the Pistons find a steal in the 2nd rd. Dennis Rodman was a gem in the 2nd round back in the 80s more recently. Okur and Amir Johnson and most recently Jonas Jerebko they have been a very good team at finding good guys in rd 2. Wonder when Singler will come over he is playing good for Madrid.

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                      Re: Postgame Thread Pacers-Pistons

                      This is why I posted in the game thread:

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                      By the way not trying to be a "hater" here but I expected West to have a horrible game in a back to back, they need to find a way to get him fresh or don't play him at all(NY is going to do it with Amare) at least he has the knee excuse unlike Danny Granger who is sucking again.

                      Hill,DC and Tyler were the only ones today that kept us in the game.
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                        Re: Postgame Thread Pacers-Pistons

                        His performance tonight was less about him making great plays and more about him running David West into the ground. He didn't suddenly get stronger since last week. West simply could not deal with his constant motion off the ball. and he seemed unwilling to step out on the perimeter and give up the drive. Jonas had time to set his feet and measure on practically every shot.

                        It might be best for Vogel to limit West's minutes on the 2nd game of back-to-backs, if his knees are really bothering him this much on zero rest.
                        This, yep they need to find a way to make it work in a back to back.
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                          Re: Postgame Thread Pacers-Pistons

                          Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                          This, yep they need to find a way to make it work in a back to back.
                          I could be completely off base here, because I didn't watch Friday's game against the Cavaliers a 2nd time and sometimes being at the game I don't pick up on everything because of distractions. But I remember thinking sometime around the fourth after we had built a double digit lead and had the 2nd team in who seemed to lose the lead that it seemed like Frank probably had hoped to roll through with those guys. Cavs cut it close and forced Franks hand and eventually had to go to overtime with the starters. Flight shenanigans ensued and it was an ugly back to back situation. Not making excuses here. Our supposedly super deep team needs to be able to hold onto that lead against a Cavaliers team. Might help West a bit in these back to backs to get Foster back.

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                            Re: Postgame Thread Pacers-Pistons

                            Defense had been good through three games, but it failed us last night. Detroit was getting whatever it wanted at will - in the paint or shot after uncontested perimeter shot. The O hasn't been there at all, but D has to be foundation you build upon. Hence the loss in Motown. No energy = no D.

                            The only big picture concern I have for us at this early stage is the shooting issue. Not just the whole when are we going to start making some shots. But also, equally important, we honestly could benefit from a true, dead-eye jump shooter. That way, when most everyone else is off, there's someone who can hit an occasional shot...especially the open ones. Right now I've become much more focused on this issue than the backup 5 situation, despite no Foster or Pendergraph yet.
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                              Re: Postgame Thread Pacers-Pistons

                              Would also like to add that's two solid offensive games in a row from DC. 20 assists over last two plus some 3s. Hill & Tyler again good off the bench (despite Tyler's continued shooting slump).RH, DG, PG, DW were more or less out to lunch offensively in this one.

                              We've been talking about this great bench, but it's not a complete second unit. In fact, it's not a deep bench at all. It's basically Hill & Hansbrough. We're a 7 man team, and I don't think that changes much if the two injured bigs get back, at least not in terms of offensive production. With the compacted schedule, it could turn into a major disadvantage for us.
                              I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

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