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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

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  • Free Agent Options

    Do we hold the roster spots open for potential overseas free agents?

    http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/ba...k2k12_overseas


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    One NBA player not listed in the above article that I would have interest in is Yi Jianlian, who has very good size and midrange jumpshot.

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    Re: Free Agent Options

    The only international players I would be interested in at this point are Wilson Chandler and JR Smith. Smith is a go-to scorer, and the energy he brings to a team is substantial. Last I heard, though, he was injured, and I don't know if he would be as valuable as he has been for Denver.
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    • #3
      Re: Free Agent Options

      Wilson Chandler!

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      • #4
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        Originally posted by imbtyler View Post
        The only international players I would be interested in at this point are Wilson Chandler and JR Smith. Smith is a go-to scorer, and the energy he brings to a team is substantial. Last I heard, though, he was injured, and I don't know if he would be as valuable as he has been for Denver.
        JR Smith seems to think he's bigger than the team. George Karl has been trying to reel Smith in for years to play within the team concept. Another knuckleheaded JR. From JR Rider to JR Smith. If he ever got his head screwed on straight, he'd be one of the top SG in the league. Unfortunately, if you have to start a sentence off with "If they can just get their head screwed on straight," it generally doesn't end well.

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        • #5
          Re: Free Agent Options

          http://www.hoopsworld.com/top-free-a...-on-the-market

          Top Free Agents Left on the Market

          With the NBA season now just four days away, most teams have solidified their rosters. They’ve spent their money, worked on their rotations, and filled in their gaps, but there are still some pretty decent talents left on the market without a new contract. Here’s a quick look at the top names still without a team.

          Gilbert Arenas, guard: Still just 29 years old and with a career scoring average of 21.2 points a game, Arenas is being picky about his next situation. After Orlando used the amnesty provision on him, guaranteeing him a financial windfall, he can afford to be picky. His most likely destination is probably the New Jersey Nets, who still have over $9 million in cap space after signing Kris Humphries. He wants to sign on to play wherever Dwight Howard is traded, but could just take a one-year deal in Jersey to get back on the court and build his market value back up. After a couple injuries in Washington and never fitting in with the Orlando Magic, playing alongside Deron Williams as a complementary scoring option may be his best career choice.

          Samuel Dalembert, center: Dalembert boasts career averages of 8.1 points, 8.3 rebounds, 1.9 blocks and 52% shooting from the field. He has also missed just two games in the past five seasons, both last season. He is a solid positional defender and rebounder, but his offensive game isn’t the most reliable. He entered free agency expecting to get a big payday – perhaps not as big as Nene or Tyson Chandler, but not too far away either. Instead cap space across the league has gradually dried up and now, after the Houston Rockets have decided to pass, his best bet at a payday is back in Sacramento. The problem for him there is the Kings seem set on starting DeMarcus Cousins and J.J. Hickson at their big man spots. While he wants a long-term deal, a one-year deal with the Kings and then hitting free agency again next summer could be his smartest move.

          Andrei Kirilenko, forward: Kirilenko is close to a deal with New Jersey Nets, but it hasn’t been signed yet. It’s probably not a surprise, considering he has been rumored to be headed to Jersey ever since Mikhail Prokhorov bought the team in the spring of 2010. The Kings had also been on his radar.

          Michael Redd, guard: Yes, Redd has played just 61 games over the past three seasons, a time in which he also earned over $50 million, but he still is one of the best shooters in the league. He didn’t play last year until the very end of March and took a few games to get his legs under him, but scored in double digits off Milwaukee’s bench in two of the final three games. It’s a small sample size, but given his background just about any team would be better off with this sharpshooter off the bench. He was rumored to be heading to Indiana, but the Pacers seem satisfied with their roster now.

          DeShawn Stevenson, guard: Last year Stevenson started 18 of 21 playoff games for the Dallas Mavericks, the same Mavs who won the NBA title, shooting 40% from three-point range during that run. He hasn’t shot over 40% overall from the floor since 2006-07, but Stevenson is still a decent defender and a good spot-up shooter when he gets his feet under him. With his experience a lot of teams could use him as a fourth guard.

          Willie Green, guard: Green brings a lot of the same aspects to the floor as Stevenson. He’s a streaky shooter with not a good percentage overall, he can play a little bit of defense – not a ton – and can create his own shot. He’d be a decent choice for a team looking to fill 12-15 guard minutes off the bench.

          James Posey, guard/forward: Posey isn’t the lockdown defender and solid three-point shooter that won rings with Miami in 2006 and Boston in 2008, but at 34 years old he can still bring pressure in some bench minutes at the wing positions. He had been linked to the Knicks, but after adding Steve Novak they seem to be done for now.

          Hot Free Agents When They Come Back From China: Aaron Brooks (restricted – Phoenix), Wilson Chandler (restricted – Denver), Kenyon Martin, J.R. Smith

          Other Names of Note: Francisco Elson (F/C), Jamario Moon (G/F), Rodney Carney (F), Yi Jianlian (F), Malik Allen (F), Joel Przybilla (C), Etan Thomas (C).
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          • #6
            Re: Free Agent Options

            I'd go after DeShawn Stevenson ( 1 year deal ) and then save the $$$ for next year's FA market.
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            • #7
              Re: Free Agent Options

              Originally posted by QuickRelease View Post
              JR Smith seems to think he's bigger than the team. George Karl has been trying to reel Smith in for years to play within the team concept. Another knuckleheaded JR. From JR Rider to JR Smith. If he ever got his head screwed on straight, he'd be one of the top SG in the league. Unfortunately, if you have to start a sentence off with "If they can just get their head screwed on straight," it generally doesn't end well.
              Yeah.....this pretty much says it all.

              Pass on JR Smith.
              Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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              • #8
                Re: Free Agent Options

                I canNOT believe that the preeminent "stretch 4" and elite defender James Posey is still available...

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                • #9
                  Re: Free Agent Options

                  I saw on the Bottom Line that the Pacers were in discussions along with the Hornets and another team for a Mexican guard in a European league. I didn't catch the whole thing and didn't catch the name of the player. I can't find any information on this anywhere.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Free Agent Options

                    I'm mildly interested in Willie Green (another ex-Hornet), I'm surprised he's not signed yet. He's a scoring combo guard who's not afraid to put up shots, which is a nice way of saying he's a bit of a chucker. Probably not much better than our current guards, but then I've never understood the fascination with Jamal Crawford. I guess Green is a poor man's Crawford.

                    Not too interested in DeShawn, but the extra depth can't hurt I suppose.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Free Agent Options

                      Originally posted by Wilk39 View Post
                      I saw on the Bottom Line that the Pacers were in discussions along with the Hornets and another team for a Mexican guard in a European league. I didn't catch the whole thing and didn't catch the name of the player. I can't find any information on this anywhere.
                      Are you sure it wasn't a Center?

                      http://www.pacersdigest.com/showpost...49&postcount=1
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                      • #12
                        Re: Free Agent Options

                        I'd take a flyer on JR Smith for one year, but I imagine we'll stay away due to character red flags. Wilson Chandler is also a nice player, but I'd rather not tie up any money long-term in another "nice" player, we need more.

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                        • #13
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                          JR Smith won't be available until March. There's no reason to sign him to a two month deal.
                          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right. ― Ricky Gervais.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Free Agent Options

                            We need a back-up small forward now that Rush is gone. At the moment Dahntay Jones is our back-up at that position. Wilson chandler can defend, create his own shot, and is 6'8. Nuff said.
                            "A winner is someone who recognizes his God-given talents, works his tail off to develop them into skills, and uses these skills to accomplish his goals."
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                            • #15
                              Re: Free Agent Options

                              Wilson Chandler isn't available until March, just like JR Smith. It's the same scenario as Keyon Martin. All 3 are out of the NBA until the Chinese league is done, which won't be until March.

                              And besides, PG is the backup 3. The Pacers are going to give him as many minutes as they can.
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