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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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You probly thought Jason Kidd was declining

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  • #16
    Re: You probly thought Jason Kidd was declining

    Watching Kidd is precisely the reason why I keep mentioning a player like Hinrich. A lot of the young guys on here biatch about Hinrich's age. But, I think they need to face it, Hinrich is a mere middle-ager. And I'd take him in a heartbeat if Atlanta wanted to get rid of him.

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    • #17
      Re: You probly thought Jason Kidd was declining

      Kidd is a basketball player. He could play until hes 50

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      • #18
        Re: You probly thought Jason Kidd was declining

        Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
        Nah.... I think he's referring to a Big 3 team like Boston or Miami, or even LA. I wouldn't consider Marion/Kidd/Chandler/et all to be "super" like DWade and Bosh and LeBron. The Mavs are more like the Bulls with 1 workhorse superstar and a good supporting cast... except the Mavs don't put 80% of their offense through Dirk like the Bulls do with Rose. I think that's ultimately Chicago's fatal flaw... been saying it since before the playoffs started.


        Yep but I'm a she and I don't think L.A. is a superteam well this version of the Lakers.

        Kobe is the superstar.. Pau is an all star

        Who's the third?

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        • #19
          Re: You probly thought Jason Kidd was declining

          Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
          Yep but I'm a she and I don't think L.A. is a superteam well this version of the Lakers.

          Kobe is the superstar.. Pau is an all star

          Who's the third?
          Pau is better than Bosh and Bosh is considered one of their Big 3 and a superstar in many circles.

          Pau IMO is a superstar as well. Some could argue that Lamar Odom fits that mold but I agree that comparatively they don't have *quite* the big 3 firepower that Miami or Boston (which I think have a big 4 actually) have.
          I don't want to sound condescending, which means to talk down to you by the way

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          • #20
            Re: You probly thought Jason Kidd was declining

            Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
            Yep but I'm a she and I don't think L.A. is a superteam well this version of the Lakers.

            Kobe is the superstar.. Pau is an all star

            Who's the third?
            Sorry, she.

            LA is almost there, I agree that their 3rd is a little less clear which is why I preceeded LA with an "even", to indicate that it could be argued. But they still have a couple guys you could almost put in that potential All-Star group like Odom or Artest or Bynum. They are extremely talented. They have a top 2 and then a good "almost-top 3" after that. Bynum himself is a load.
            Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 05-24-2011, 02:34 PM.
            There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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            • #21
              Re: You probly thought Jason Kidd was declining

              I agree with the general statement in the original post, but to say that Kidd has never been fast is just completely false. When Kidd came into the league he was one of the fastest players in the NBA. He could get down court WHILE DRIBBLING faster than most players on a dead sprint without the ball.

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              • #22
                Re: You probly thought Jason Kidd was declining

                Originally posted by I Love P View Post
                Kidd is a HOF right? I guess Reggie didn't make it so I'm not sure.
                No doubt about it. Jason Kidd has had a much better NBA career.

                1994-95 Rookie of the Year
                10 All-Star appearances
                9-time All Defensive Team member
                5-time All NBA 1st Team member + 1 2nd Team Award
                2nd All-Time in Total Assists
                3rd All-Time in Total Steals
                3rd All-Time in Total 3-pointers made
                2 - NBA Finals appearances

                *edit - I also forgot to mention that Kidd has lead the league in assists 5 seasons and has finished in the top 10 ALL 18 seasons of his career!
                Last edited by naptownmenace; 05-24-2011, 03:36 PM.

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                • #23
                  Re: You probly thought Jason Kidd was declining

                  Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
                  I agree with the general statement in the original post, but to say that Kidd has never been fast is just completely false. When Kidd came into the league he was one of the fastest players in the NBA. He could get down court WHILE DRIBBLING faster than most players on a dead sprint without the ball.
                  Ehhh, I don't recall Kidd having DRose speed or Westbrook's athleticism. He obviously would've been faster than he is now, but I don't think Kidd's strength ever included blazing speed or hops. He has always been a terrific passer, floor leader, and had great vision.
                  There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                  • #24
                    Re: You probly thought Jason Kidd was declining

                    Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
                    No doubt about it. Jason Kidd has had a much better NBA career.

                    1994-95 Rookie of the Year
                    10 All-Star appearances
                    9-time All Defensive Team member
                    5-time All NBA 1st Team member + 1 2nd Team Award
                    2nd All-Time in Total Assists
                    3rd All-Time in Total Steals
                    3rd All-Time in Total 3-pointers made
                    2 - NBA Finals appearances

                    *edit - I also forgot to mention that Kidd has lead the league in assists 5 seasons and has finished in the top 10 ALL 18 seasons of his career!
                    I think Kidd is the best PG I've ever seen. I never got to see Magic or anyone before his time, but Kidd has just been a lights-out point guard for his entire career. I sincerely hope he wins a ring this season and that he's able to keep playing at this high level.

                    It's crazy that the second best player on arguably the best team in the playoffs so far is a 38-year-old PG with bad knees who looked used up during most of the season.

                    I predict that if the Mavs take the title home this year, Kidd is riding off into the sunset.

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                    • #25
                      Re: You probly thought Jason Kidd was declining

                      He has done an amazing job adjusting his game to his aging. He is no longer the greatest transition PG in the game like he was with New Jersey, but he has become one of the best in the halfcourt, and of course added the three to make himself more dangerous in the half court. He deserves a ring badly.

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                      • #26
                        Re: You probly thought Jason Kidd was declining

                        Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                        Ehhh, I don't recall Kidd having DRose speed or Westbrook's athleticism. He obviously would've been faster than he is now, but I don't think Kidd's strength ever included blazing speed or hops. He has always been a terrific passer, floor leader, and had great vision.
                        Do you recall anyone in the NBA having Rose's speed back in 95? Derrick Rose is a freak of nature, as is Russ Westbrook. Player's have continued to get bigger, stronger, and faster in all sports over the past 15-20 years. Kidd was known as one of the quickest players in the NBA when he was a young pup.

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                        • #27
                          Re: You probly thought Jason Kidd was declining

                          Originally posted by I Love P View Post
                          Kidd is a HOF right? I guess Reggie didn't make it so I'm not sure.
                          Jason Kidd's career has dwarfed Reggie's in every way other than 3 pointers (even though Kidd is only 765 3's behind Reggie, and 3rd on the all-time list) and clutch moments. Kidd is a first ballot Hall of Famer, without question.

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                          • #28
                            Re: You probly thought Jason Kidd was declining

                            I think his age helps. He's so damn smart and good with the ball. When was the last time you recall him doing something blatantly dumba$$
                            http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...nce-stephenson
                            "But, first, let us now praise famous moments, because something happened Tuesday night in Indianapolis that you can watch a lifetime’s worth of professional basketball and never see again. There was a brief, and very decisive, and altogether unprecedented, outburst of genuine officiating, and it was directed at the best player in the world, and that, my dear young person, simply is not done."

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                            • #29
                              Re: You probly thought Jason Kidd was declining

                              He and Rose both improved their jumpshot like crazy after the summer. Hopefully DC and Lance have the same mindset and do the same

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                              • #30
                                Re: You probly thought Jason Kidd was declining

                                Originally posted by itzryan07 View Post
                                He and Rose both improved their jumpshot like crazy after the summer. Hopefully DC and Lance have the same mindset and do the same

                                Kidd's improvement from downtown actually started during his first full season with Dallas. He was down a little bit from three-point range this season (though he's gotten hot a few times this postseason).

                                And Rose is shooting like 23% from downtown this postseason... brutal. Reggie could hit at a higher clip with a blindfold.

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