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David Morway interview 21 May

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  • #16
    Re: David Morway interview 21 May

    While I see how this could raise a red flag, some of the best managers I know are professional delegators. Who cares who got the job done, so long as it got done.

    I disagree that Bird is just sitting around playing NBA Live and smoking Cubans while Morway does all the real GM work. I do, however, think Tom White is onto something

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    • #17
      Re: David Morway interview 21 May

      Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
      Anyway you look at it, he is the GM and has admitted that Larry lets him run the trades and draft and such. He did not close the deal for Mayo.

      So...
      So . . . you don't know what goes on but that doesn't stop you from loudly proclaiming your opinion does it?

      It's been explained to you that our front office wasn't to blame for the Mayo trade not happening, yet you unreasoningly want to place the blame on them anyway.

      I think you're just a troll wanting to cause trouble, why else the picture of Morway?

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      • #18
        Re: David Morway interview 21 May

        Originally posted by Speed View Post
        I think its more an inability to change or adjust your opinion when getting called out on the validity of it. Honestly. Or attention seeking behavior. One of the two.
        But my opinion is completely valid. Did Morway not just say that Larry lets him oversee the basketball side of things? The draft, FA, Trades? Yes they make decisions together, but Morway executes those decisions. So why would I change or adjust my opinion on this?

        Attention seeking behavior....I don't get this. You offered up an open ended statement in your original post. I offered my take on it. Hicks calls me out saying that I got it all wrong, even though back in the retaining Morway thread it was pretty much mutually agreed by everyone that certainly Morway as the GM failed on some level because he had a deal in place and the other party backed out. Thats still a failure, because in that level of business results are what matter. There maybe a million reasons why the trade didn't go thru in the end. But the end result is all the same. OJ Mayo not wearing the Blue and Gold.
        You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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        • #19
          Re: David Morway interview 21 May

          Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
          So . . . you don't know what goes on but that doesn't stop you from loudly proclaiming your opinion does it?

          It's been explained to you that our front office wasn't to blame for the Mayo trade not happening, yet you unreasoningly want to place the blame on them anyway.

          I think you're just a troll wanting to cause trouble, why else the picture of Morway?
          A win is a win and loss is a loss at the end of the day right? No matter who is to blame. End results matter.

          Why can't I express my thoughts with pictures when I feel it works? My Avatar to the left here shows my desire to hire Mike Brown. I don't see how that makes me a troll.
          You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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          • #20
            Re: David Morway interview 21 May

            Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
            But my opinion is completely valid. Did Morway not just say that Larry lets him oversee the basketball side of things? The draft, FA, Trades? Yes they make decisions together, but Morway executes those decisions. So why would I change or adjust my opinion on this?
            No your opinion is not completely valid! You are basing it on the assumption that Bird let Morway oversee the basketball side of things last year.

            However one of the things that came out of Bird's new agreement was he was going to let Morway do more. So, you don't know if what you are basing your latest argument on was valid at the time of the draft.

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            • #21
              Re: David Morway interview 21 May

              Originally posted by Hicks View Post
              You define failure, as it relates to being the general manager, as not concluding a trade you wished to make? I mean on technicality I guess I get it, but usually when someone calls another person a "failure", it's meant to imply that they are bad at what they do or otherwise unfit or something to that extent. As if, had we had a better GM, the Mayo trade would have completed. I don't agree with that at all.
              So no response to the above?


              No response to fact that pretty much everything said after the deadline pointed the finger at either Memphis or New Orleans with regards to why the deal didn't go through?

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              • #22
                Re: David Morway interview 21 May

                Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
                No your opinion is not completely valid! You are basing it on the assumption that Bird let Morway oversee the basketball side of things last year.

                However one of the things that came out of Bird's new agreement was he was going to let Morway do more. So, you don't know if what you are basing your latest argument on was valid at the time of the draft.
                And to me this isn't even the point. The point is why would anyone ever assume that David Morway (or Larry Bird, if you prefer) was the primary cause for the OJ Mayo trade not going through?

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                • #23
                  Re: David Morway interview 21 May

                  Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                  why would anyone ever assume that David Morway (or Larry Bird, if you prefer) was the primary cause for the OJ Mayo trade not going through?
                  Because there always has to be someone to point the finger at if something doesn't go as planned.

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                  • #24
                    Re: David Morway interview 21 May

                    Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                    A win is a win and loss is a loss at the end of the day right? No matter who is to blame. End results matter.

                    Why can't I express my thoughts with pictures when I feel it works? My Avatar to the left here shows my desire to hire Mike Brown. I don't see how that makes me a troll.
                    Just be thankful Hicks is in charge and not me!

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                    • #25
                      Re: David Morway interview 21 May

                      Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                      So no response to the above?


                      No response to fact that pretty much everything said after the deadline pointed the finger at either Memphis or New Orleans with regards to why the deal didn't go through?
                      Whatever was said after the deadline doesnot mean its accurate. Why would the Pacers Front office admit to botching a trade? Of course they are going to deflect. Just like Memphis's front office deflected and said the Pacers couldn't get their act together. Didn't the Memphis owner essentially post right when the deal was supposedly accomplished, that he wanted Mayo gone and thought that a change of scenery was needed for him?

                      Like I said i can only factually base my opinion on the end results. We had a deal in place, deal fell thru. Morway is the GM. The GM executes trades. Morway did not produce OJ Mayo at the trade deadline. Morway failed.
                      These are all factual statements.
                      You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                      • #26
                        Re: David Morway interview 21 May

                        Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                        Whatever was said after the deadline doesnot mean its accurate.
                        But you would acknowledge that, in any event, that is the only information we have with regards to who was primarily to blame, correct? Otherwise, it's pure speculation no matter what one's opinion is, right?

                        Why would the Pacers Front office admit to botching a trade? Of course they are going to deflect.
                        Have you seen anything that specifically suggests that the Pacers Front Office, specifically, botched this trade, or are you merely speculating?

                        Just like Memphis's front office deflected and said the Pacers couldn't get their act together.
                        Could you provide us with a source for this? I don't recall this.

                        Didn't the Memphis owner essentially post right when the deal was supposedly accomplished, that he wanted Mayo gone and thought that a change of scenery was needed for him?
                        How would the above support your opinion that Morway "botched" the trade? This only would suggest that at one point the Memphis owner thought the deal was done, as I believe I recall him speaking to the local Memphis newspaper with word to the effect of what you say, implying that the trade was complete.

                        Like I said i can only factually base my opinion on the end results. We had a deal in place, deal fell thru. Morway is the GM. The GM executes trades. Morway did not produce OJ Mayo at the trade deadline. Morway failed.
                        These are all factual statements.
                        They are factual until you get to "Morway failed." That is your opinion, not a fact. Elaborate on what you mean by failed. Do you simply mean he didn't get what he wanted, or are you suggesting something more to the effect that he is incompetent at his job?

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                        • #27
                          Re: David Morway interview 21 May

                          In all fairness Heisely did throw the Pacers under the bus. Really though who cares? It didnt happen and we move on. NBA trades I would assume are very complicated, so I cant really believe one person is the sole responsibility for the trade or lack of trade

                          If I had to guess , New Orleans "botched" the trade

                          Questions is, if the Pacers somehow obtain Mayo in the offseason.........

                          Who gets the credit then?
                          Sittin on top of the world!

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                          • #28
                            Re: David Morway interview 21 May

                            My understanding it was NOLA that botched the deal. They played a Charlotte and backed out of the deal at the last moment. NO ONE has ever said what the deal with NOLA was suppose to be or who was involved. Mayo for McBob and pick couldn't have been the deal, b/c salaries didn't match. There was a 3rd team involved to make the deal work. If they backed out of the deal, the deal was finished no matter what was settled on between Memphis and the Pacers. Please feel to correct me if I'm wrong.

                            Now that I think about it, Rush was supposedly involved.

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                            • #29
                              Re: David Morway interview 21 May

                              Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                              Questions is, if the Pacers somehow obtain Mayo in the offseason.........

                              Who gets the credit then?
                              Worldwide Wes?

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                              • #30
                                Re: David Morway interview 21 May

                                [QUOTE=vapacersfan;1240066]

                                Who cares who got the job done, so long as it got done.

                                QUOTE]


                                The person who did all the work while someone else got the credit, that is who cares!

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