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Which Free Agents should we get?

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  • Which Free Agents should we get?

    As most of you know, TJ Ford, Mike, and Jeff Foster are all coming off the books this season and we are gonna have a great amount of cap space. Who do you think we should sign?


    My thoughts: Resign Jeff Foster to a small, short term (2-3 yr) deal. We really could use his leadership. I then think we should sign Jason Richardson to give us consistent and proven shooter that can come off the bench or even start, and Zach Randolph to finally give us a top 10 post player than is reliable and can rebound.

    Carmel HS Class of 2011

  • #2
    Re: Which Free Agents should we get?

    Theo Ratliff and Shawne Williams. Maybe Scalabrine if we have $ left over.


    • #3
      Re: Which Free Agents should we get?

      No one. The only person I like is Tyson Chandler, and he's not really a viable option.

      Zach Randolph will be a lot of offense, great rebounding, a fat contract, and no defense. No thanks.


      • #4
        Re: Which Free Agents should we get?

        Theo Ratliff is the type of defensive big man we desperately need. I'm all for signing him, but it wont come cheap. He wont be 40 for another 918,712 minutes, so you know he has a lot left in the tank.


        • #5
          Re: Which Free Agents should we get?

          I'd really be a fan of J-Rich.

          As well as Tyson Chandler

          Oh, and Murphy too

          But while I'm at it, this FA class makes me depressed. We have all this money for that crap? What a terrible class.
          Last edited by Psyren; 04-09-2011, 03:03 PM.
          Stop quoting people I have on ignore!


          • #6
            Re: Which Free Agents should we get?

            If we were to sign Tyson Chandler then Hibbert could be traded for just about anything we want. Therefore, signing Tyson would upgrade 2-3 positions at once!


            • #7
              Re: Which Free Agents should we get?

              I want Jeff to stay, we all do I guess. I wanna resign him, if we can't, resign Josh.
              Next, we need a real scoring option... I'd say either Z-bo, who can score inside and rebound, or Jason Richardson / Marcus Thornton. J-rich is a vet, Thornton is a rising young player that can already score well, and also played with DC in NO. Problem is, he's undersized for a SG, and not much of a defender (probably because of it).
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              • #8
                Re: Which Free Agents should we get?

                I think it'd be great to have Shannon Brown. Incredibly explosive off the bench, but three things matter:

                1. we don't really need another SG off the bench until we're sure what we're doing with the rest of the wings and rotation.
                2. I assume the Lakers will lay down plenty of cash to keep him around. He's very complementary to their flow.
                3. He apparently has a player option on his contract, so I'll assume that, especially depending on how this postseason goes for the Lakers, he'll want to stick around and back up Kobe.

                If we could separate him from his manbrother Blake, DeAndre Jordan is exactly what I want Roy to be. Both are tall and have length, but DJ has athleticism and vertical that can get him to the rim. If he and Roy work together and learn from each other, they could both be offensive/defensive beasts, imo.

                In the very likely circumstance that we don't draft Perry Jones and lose Josh McRoberts (please no! keep him around!), I think making a move toward Derrick Brown or Earl Clark would be nice. Brown will need some work, but Clark can play both forward positions, and from what I've seen/heard, he's a very good defensive asset. If he played behind Tyler and Danny (roster pending), he could help shut down other teams' second units and turn that around to an offensive opportunity.

                I also think players like Jamal Crawford, Jason Richardson, Nene, and Greg Oden (in hypothetical good health) would probably work well for the team also, but I don't expect the better 3/4 of them to want to come to Indiana, even if Crawford would probably end up with a starting spot, as opposed to "perpetual 6th man". I really like J-Rich, but I don't think he'll be a "smashmouth" kind of player anymore, since he's been settling for 3's mostly since arriving in Orlando. That is mostly due to Stan Van Gundy's system, though.

                Also, I doubt we even try for Oden. If Larry (or other GM) has half a mind, he'll realize that four seasons of injuries is worse than one season of stupidly immature rookie fever.
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                • #9
                  Re: Which Free Agents should we get?

                  TJ Ford


                  • #10
                    Re: Which Free Agents should we get?

                    If Marc Gasol can play the 4, I say go for him. I doubt Memphis can keep both Gasol and Randolph. I don't know if a Gasol-Hibbert frontcourt would work, but I'd be curious enough to give it a try.


                    • #11
                      Re: Which Free Agents should we get?

                      First off, unless a player is an absolute god on the offensive end of the floor, his name wouldn't even be on my short list if he is not able to play darn good defense.

                      I think that we should probably consider that the Pacers are not likely to go away from Collison at the point, especially if Bird remains with the team. IMO, that means that the Pacers must have a very good defender next to Collison at SG. The best that might be available is Igoudala... not a free agent, but certainly a player that will significantly strengthen the backcourt defense. If George proves that he can play defense next year anywhere near Igoudala's level, that makes us that much stronger. The one knock on Igoudala's game is that he is not a very good perimeter shooter or scorer. However, he can get to the rim and finish, along with getting a lot of assists and rebounds from the SG position.

                      I would re-sign Josh McRoberts, our own FA, to primarily play behind Hibbert at center. Josh would also see minutes at PF. How many minutes would depend on whether we acquire a PF through trade or on the FA market.

                      The second starting position that I would improve is PF. Like SG, I would attempt to get a defender at this position, if the Hawks are willing to trade Josh Smith. Again, not a free agent, but exactly what the Pacers could use at the position. He is a very good defender around the rim, especially from the weakside. And, he is able to guard any stretch-4 in the league at mid-range or on the perimeter. He can also make the switch on the fly and guard nearly all SFs in the league as well.

                      If Smith cannot be acquired, I would consider one of the FAs this summer, accepting the fact that none will be nearly as good defensively as Smith. I could live with an emphasis on offense at PF with Hansbrough and a possible acquisition of Carl Landry, along with Josh McRoberts also getting minutes. However, not acquiring a defensive specialist at either PF or C would continue to leave us defensively weak in the frontcourt.

                      We can look at FAs, but quite frankly none give us exactly what we need at the PF and SG positions. I think we should definitely attempt to trade for the ideal players before "settling" for an alternative option through free agency.


                      • #12
                        Re: Which Free Agents should we get?

                        Let me preface this by saying that we aren't limited to free agency, we can also do trades for guys on the block. I think we are set at the starting point guard spot, the small forward spot, the center spot, back up 4 spot (Where Tyler plays around 25 MPG as a backup), and backup 2/3.

                        -First thing's first, we need a starting shooting guard. Preferably one that can create for himself and break down a defense and is capable of having big nights. Jason Richardson is more of a guy who runs off of screens and plays in transition. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but that is what Danny does. Not to mention that Richardson is getting up there in age and has stretches of games where he just plays bad ball and shoots poorly. I wouldn't throw a fit if JRich was brought here, but I wouldn't expect much from him.

                        The first guys that come to mind that are potentially available for the two spot are Jamal Crawford, OJ Mayo, Rodney Stuckey, or even Marcus Thornton if worst comes to worst. These guys all do things that Jason Richardson can't do; Create for himself and break a defense down by himself with their dribbling skills. I would obviously take JRich over Stucky and Thornton though.

                        I would go:
                        1.) Mayo- Youth factor and he's already good. Put him on this team and he averages around 16 PPG.
                        2.) Jamal Crawford- He's better than Mayo, but age plays a role here and he'd get paid more than OJ does. Jamal has lost a step from last season too which is somewhat alarming. With that said, I would love Jamal here.
                        3.) Jason Richardson- Great guy to come off of screens, doesn't need the ball to be effective, and is a good defender. Age and contract are concerns, and I don't know if he'd be too interested in coming here as he probably has large interest.
                        4.) Stuckey- Just a ball player, but needs the ball in his hands and can't shoot.
                        5.) The rest
                        And then Paul George can develop in due time.

                        -Backup point guard spot. 36% shooting, 27% from three for a shooter, and 4.8 assists per 36 minutes is not getting it done for me. We need a defender and facilitator who can bring energy. Go after in no particular order:

                        Earl Watson (Solid defender and facilitator and can attack the basket. Plus he has already been here and he wouldn't command a lot of money)

                        Jordan Farmar (Just a ball player, good passer and shooter. He's not a FA but we could snag him if we get lucky)

                        Jarret Jack (Defender, energy, and shooting. Is capable of having big nights and he brings LEADERSHIP)

                        Or whoever. Just a better backup point guard.

                        -Power forward spot. Go after Josh Smith and try to pair him with Roy for next season. Do whatever it takes as long as we donít lose Paul George, Roy Hibbert, or Danny Granger.

                        The reason that I donít want to give any Granger up for him is because Smith is only locked up for two seasons after this one while Granger is locked up for three. And I think that Granger would come back once his contract is up and I'm not sure about Smith.

                        We want Smith to pair with Roy. If we trade Roy than that probably defeats the purpose of going after Smith. They go together like two peas in a pod. No homo.

                        George is going to be very good some day. Donít lose him for a two year rental.

                        Smith is the DREAM guy to go with Hibbert. Just perfect. Put Smith on this team now and we automatically turn into a 50 win team because they are that good of a match. We are currently around a 44 win team since Vogel has taken over.

                        If Smith is not attainable, go after Zach Randolph in the summer. Great rebounder, and just a ball player. He's an all star caliber guy, and he might have some interest here if he doesn't sign an extension with Memphis.

                        If neither of them are attainable, just start Tyler next season and sign a cheap, veteran backup four. Kurt Thomas, Shelden Williams, etc.

                        -Glue guy backup small forward. One who can defend, bring leadership, and do what it takes to win. First guy that comes to mind is Shane Battier. He would work out perfect. If he wants to go to a contender though than we need other options. AK47, Jared Dudley, Tayshaun Prince (Tayshaun will be pricey though).

                        -Back up center. I love Foster but I don't think that we can totally depend on his health. We need a backup center that can play post defense, rebound, block shots, and is a hard hat guy. The first guy that I want is Chuck Hayes for around the MLE. He is the man. He will do a bit of everything, and he will give opposing bigs FITS. He is a poor man's Kendrick Perkins and he would also make Roy a better player by them competing in practice. If not him, go after Marcin Gortat (Not a FA, but extremely solid and might be had for a couple of young pieces. Could be our backup 5 for the next four years), Ryan Hollins, or just make Foster the backup four.

                        DON'T go after DeAndre Jordan. He's going to get a huge contract and he doesn't deserve it.

                        If I were Bird, I would have four main goals in the offseason:

                        1.) Try to get the best bench in the league. Get good defenders at the 1, 3, and 5. Make Hans, George, and the backup point the scorers. Make the 1, 3, and 5 veterans that can get the job done and are extremely solid. For example: Jack/Watson/Farmar, Battier/Prince/Dudley, and Hayes/Gortat

                        2.) Go after Mayo as a low cost, high reward guy. It would be worth it because he can probably be had for a first round pick.

                        3.) Don't waste the money on crap!

                        4.) Try to get a veteran four like Smith or ZBo. If we don't get one of the two, don't get desperate and try to get Jeff Green or Carl Landry as that would kill us.

                        Collison/Defensive, consistent point
                        Mayo, Crawford, JRich/George/Jones
                        Granger/Glue guy
                        Hibbert/Rebounder, shotblocker/Foster

                        PS- This is obviously all hypothetical and unlikely. Not to even mention that I haven't factored in what it would take to get Smith, if he's even available.


                        • #13
                          Re: Which Free Agents should we get?

                          The only problem I have with Tyson Chandler is that he will take over Roy's spot.

                          Chandler is a really good defensive player, but I think if we give Roy another 2 year's he will be one of the league's most dominant big men.

                          Another reason I would hate to see Roy lose his role is because of what he has done for the team. He has grown into a leader, has got the community involved again (Area 55), and plays with confidence.

                          Unless Chandler wants to play the 4 (which I doubt he would), I'm not sure if this works out in our favor in the long run.


                          • #14
                            Re: Which Free Agents should we get?

                   me crazy, but if I'm the FO, I at least try to see if Dunleavy is interested in coming back at a reasonable price. I'm talking a price that reflects his game.

                            If he does, make FA decisions with that budget in mind. If he doesn't, make FA decisions with a larger budget.


                            • #15
                              Re: Which Free Agents should we get?

                              Originally posted by KingGeorge View Post
                              The only problem I have with Tyson Chandler is that he will take over Roy's spot.

                              Chandler is a really good defensive player, but I think if we give Roy another 2 year's he will be one of the league's most dominant big men.

                              Another reason I would hate to see Roy lose his role is because of what he has done for the team. He has grown into a leader, has got the community involved again (Area 55), and plays with confidence.

                              Unless Chandler wants to play the 4 (which I doubt he would), I'm not sure if this works out in our favor in the long run.
                              And speaking of that confidence, it would CRUSH Roy's confidence to relegate him to the bench. So if the Pacers are interested in building around him, it's not a wise long-term move, unless Chandler would play the 4 as you said.