The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

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    Pacers have worst attendance in NBA
    While the Pacers still have a shot at the playoffs, they've already claimed a different title with the worst attendance in the league.

    Just down from Conseco Fieldhouse, Amber Kaiser gets Coaches Tavern ready for the lunch crowd and later Pacer fans.

    "It's busier this year compared to years past," she said.

    Maybe that's true at the tavern, but not the Fieldhouse. According to ESPN, the Pacers rank 30th or dead last in NBA attendance. This season they've averaged just under 13,500 fans per game. That's the lowest since 2008 when attendance averaged just over 12,000.

    "I think most fans don't watch the games anymore unless their team is winning," said one visitor at Coaches Tavern.

    "The fact of the matter is we haven't made the playoffs for several years, people have had some concerns about our team and we've listened," said Jim Morris, Pacers Sports & Entertainment.

    The Pacers Jim Morris says they're making strides - with some new players, a new coach and even a new fan club. Roy Hibbert's Area 55 has been pumping up the crowd all season long.

    ."Larry Bird has been giving it everything he has every minute of every day to get this back to a point where we compete for the championship," said Morris.

    Attendance isn't the only number the Pacers have struggled with. Forbes magazine puts the team value at $269 million or 27th in the 30-team league, with operating revenue down about $17 million.

    "Those numbers are not accurate," said Morris.

    Still, Morris says the Pacers are still losing money, though not as much as last year. That's due in part due to a three-year $30 million deal with the city to help pay for operating Conseco Fieldhouse - a deal that will have to be revisited in two years.

    "The objective is to keep the Indiana Pacers and the Indiana Fever in Indianapolis forever," said Morris.

  • #2
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    Look at the bright side, the economy is absolute **** compared to what it was at the beginning of 2008, and our attendance has still increased.


    • #3
      Re: Pacers have worst attendance in NBA

      From what everyone is saying that Indy is incredibly fairweather, the attendance is low because we've sucked for the past 4-5 years.

      EDIT: Making the playoffs will definitely improve the attendance next season. The TV viewings for the Pacers have increased this season which shows signs of more tickets being sold.
      Last edited by Trophy; 04-06-2011, 09:52 PM.


      • #4
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        They're too boring to want to see in person.


        • #5
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          This team is so sloppy. If they aren't hitting shots, they look worse than a D-League team. They seem to get blown out in losses. Just not pretty.

          I'm sure it would be different if they played more competitively. Just a young team, lot's of growing pains. Hibbert, Hans and PG have made some strides this year. DC has started playing better too. If Granger would stay focuses for a whole game, this team can do some damage next year.

          I'm pretty happy with the future of the Pacers. Hope the city does too.

          Just spend that money wisely please!
          First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.


          • #6
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            Originally posted by Captain Obvious View Post
            They're too boring to want to see in person.
            Prior to this season, they sure as hell were.

            Pretty much ever since O'Brien took over and our unsuccessful seasons between 2007-2010.


            • #7
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              Hopefully this will change now that the Pacers are back in the playoffs.

              GO PACERS!!!


              • #8
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                Attendance league wide must be up. The attendance has at least "seemed" better this season than some years past, I seem to remember 07 and 08 to be absolutely brutal at times. I have no numbers to back that up. Maybe the crowds are smaller but "better" ???
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                • #9
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                  Did the (failed) deadline trade suck a lot of the energy and excitement out of the fanbase?

                  It did for me, and it seemed to for the team itself.
                  This space for rent.


                  • #10
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                    Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                    Did the (failed) deadline trade suck a lot of the energy and excitement out of the fanbase?

                    It did for me, and it seemed to for the team itself.
                    I wanted the trade to go through and would still love to get Mayo, but I didn't think it effected the fanbase at all.

                    I thought Josh and Brandon's play would derail a little, but they stayed strong and played this season well.

                    There's some pretty nice players we can potentially get, but it would be a risk by trading some of our key guys.

                    Losing and the major roster makeover is what sucked energy out of the fanbase that we had from 2006 and up.


                    • #11
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                      By now, you all know my attendance analysis and 2 cents.

                      First off, this is because we haven't had any success that the attendance has been in the low 20s to dead last in the past few seasons.

                      The economy has a good amount to do with this every where, but Indy isn't any different from other places like Portland who came from pretty much the same background as us with the bad boys and having low attendance and now they sellout every game because they have winners and good people. Ever since making the playoffs, their attendance has gone up a lot and I see the same for us.

                      The Fieldhouse is probably the ideal sports venue to watch a basketball game and all it needs to make it an even better place is to see less of the green seats and more blue and gold fanatics.

                      Roy said he formed Area 55 because from 2008 to now, the crowds have so quiet which isn't right for Indiana basketball.

                      Here's an old video from the 2008 season when we finished dead last and we pretty much saw like 10,000 people a game.

                      Indiana fans are fair weather yes, but you have to admit they are incredibly diehard fans when their team is in the playoffs and is winning. Just look at the current Colts and the Pacers before 2006 for 10 years.

                      To that article the last line is something all people who work for an organization (not usually LA, NY, Chicago) always focus on. They always try to please their fans and the city.

                      The Pacers have so much support from the city and fans. I'm so grateful what we have and the Fieldhouse fits this city so well.

                      I guarantee we will be 20th or so next season in attendance averaging maybe 16,000.

                      Definitely not what we've seen in the recent seasons.

                      Everyone knows this team is a playoff contender and people will come out and see more of them. Like the Trail Blazers fans.
                      Last edited by Scot Pollard; 04-07-2011, 12:08 AM.
                      In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!


                      • #12
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                        A big part of attendance is season ticket orders made the previous year. It's the reason the Cavs have the third highest attendance this year despite being one of the worst teams in the league. Cavs fans renewed their tickets last year assuming LeBron would still be there.

                        Once we make the playoffs this year and hopefully make some off season moves and generate interest in season ticket sales, I bet the Pacers move up to the late teens or early twenties in attendance.


                        • #13
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                          Try as hard as I can to not be another Ms. Debbie Downer, but I've always thought it will take a couple seasons of improving playoff runs to get fans back to the way it was. This is the beginning.


                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by El Pacero View Post
                            Try as hard as I can to not be another Ms. Debbie Downer, but I've always thought it will take a couple seasons of improving playoff runs to get fans back to the way it was. This is the beginning.
                            You gotta start somewhere and this is as good a place to start as any.

                            Also I love how Indiana is stuck with the label of fairweather fans. While it is true let's not pretend that other bigger city's don't go through the same exact thing.

                            I saw a Philly game earlier this year that there were probably more workers in the building than fans.

                            Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13


                            • #15
                              Re: Pacers have worst attendance in NBA

                              Originally posted by King Tuts Tomb View Post
                              A big part of attendance is season ticket orders made the previous year. It's the reason the Cavs have the third highest attendance this year despite being one of the worst teams in the league. Cavs fans renewed their tickets last year assuming LeBron would still be there.

                              Once we make the playoffs this year and hopefully make some off season moves and generate interest in season ticket sales, I bet the Pacers move up to the late teens or early twenties in attendance.
                              Well, early twenties is impossible. Conseco only holds up 18,165 capacity. Jsyk. But late teens would be nice.
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