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readjusting lineups (should we bring back the goon squad?)

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  • readjusting lineups (should we bring back the goon squad?)

    It seems the problem we're having with the lineups is too many conflicting playing styles. PG and Hans don't work well in the starting lineup with DC, DG and Roy. All five players have a need/urge to be THE scorer, whereas there are other players in the roster (Josh, Rush, Dun) have somewhat of a passing instinct, which is absolutely necessary to the scorer-passer ratio.

    I can't believe I'm saying this, but if Dun and Josh were starting at the 2 and 4 spots, respectively, I think it would allow for a less selfish style of play. Putting PG and Hans back into the goon squad would let them utilize their own scoring against less intense defenders (or rather, non-starters). Also, they wouldn't have to compete against Foster/AJ (usually) as scoring options, and adding in Rush or Lance (not Posey) at the 2-guard brings another facet of scoring and mid-level passing ability and movement to capitalize on the other scorers.

    So I guess what I'm basically saying is, I think we should bring back the almost-original goon squad. Except we've got no room to make adjustments this late and close to the playoffs. Would we be better off anyway?
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    Re: readjusting lineups (should we bring back the goon squad?)

    This thought had crossed my mind. Someone can look up the numbers, but I thought someone had pointed out the Collison/Dun/Granger/Mcbob/Hibbert lineup had been our most successful this year.

    Mcroberts has great chemistry with both Dunleavy and Hibbert, so it makes some sense. I would still play Tyler big minutes and possibly finish games (depending on who has it going)
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      Re: readjusting lineups (should we bring back the goon squad?)

      Originally posted by Infinite MAN_force View Post
      This thought had crossed my mind. Someone can look up the numbers, but I thought someone had pointed out the Collison/Dun/Granger/Mcbob/Hibbert lineup had been our most successful this year.
      Not just our best lineup. Our best lineup by a mile.

      It is the 6th most effective 5 man group in the league behind two groups of Lakers, a group of Rockets, a group of Celtics, and a group of Spurs.

      No other Pacers group is even close to the top 50.
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      • #4
        Re: readjusting lineups (should we bring back the goon squad?)

        I'm not against the change, even at this late date, since these line-ups being discussed are very familiar to our guys anyway.

        I would add Dahntay into the 2nd unit before Rush. Rush becomes 11th man.

        A link to the various units' minutes played and results:

        http://basketballvalue.com/teamunits...sortorder=DESC

        Basically, these have been our best three line-ups that have played significant minutes, and don't involve putting Danny or Roy in the 2nd unit:

        1. Collison, Darren - Dunleavy, Mike - Granger, Danny - McRoberts, Josh - Hibbert, Roy
        2. Collison, Darren - Dunleavy, Mike - Granger, Danny - Hansbrough, Tyler - Hibbert, Roy
        3. Price, A.J. - Jones, Dahntay - George, Paul - Hansbrough, Tyler - Foster, Jeff

        The combo of AJ, Brandon, Paul G, Foster, and Tyler has only played nine minutes, so it's basically untested, to an extent. Dahntay's a spark plug for the 2nd unit, anyway. So...Brandon to 11th man.

        Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw that unit 2 as the starters tomorrow...keeping Tyler in and adding Dunleavy. It'll be interesting to see if Frank stands pat or makes a change, and what kind of change if he makes one.
        Last edited by kester99; 04-05-2011, 03:00 PM.


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          Re: readjusting lineups (should we bring back the goon squad?)

          I wouldn't suggest moving lineups around anymore.

          What I would suggest is two things..

          Vogel has an O'brien like quality, where he subs guys in based on a pattern, not necessarily based on need. (Most system based coaches do this)

          And this is fine. Because usually he adjusts to the end of the game. However, I think he needs to adjust sooner. If DC is struggling...bring AJ in at the five minute mark, instead of waiting until the two minute mark or start of the second quarter. (Or shorten AJ's time if he's struggling..) IF Hans isn't making any shots..bring in Josh earlier. And vice versa..make the adjustments needed quicker..not just at the end of the game. To me, that would stop the hole.

          And second..I think if we are in a hole, that Vogel should try the "goon squad" to see if they can get back into it. Put Aj, Dahntay, PG, Hans, and FOster in at the same time. They don't have to be our second unit in order to all play together. If we're in a hole, play them together and see if they can get something done.

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            Re: readjusting lineups (should we bring back the goon squad?)

            Not only was that starting group incredibly effective, but the bench/"Goon Squad" was too.

            I think it's pretty obvious that Paul is not ready to be a consistent starter and Tyler just doesn't complement Roy like Josh does mainly on the offensive end.

            I feel like those lineups/rotations will give us the best chance to be competitive in the playoffs and win at least a game.

            Starting our best players isn't always going to get the job done because a lot of players depend too much on themselves to do more which can ruin the chemistry.

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            • #7
              Re: readjusting lineups (should we bring back the goon squad?)

              Originally posted by BRushWithDeath View Post
              Not just our best lineup. Our best lineup by a mile.

              It is the 6th most effective 5 man group in the league behind two groups of Lakers, a group of Rockets, a group of Celtics, and a group of Spurs.

              No other Pacers group is even close to the top 50.
              ****. Do it yesterday then. Or at least as soon as Dunleavy can handle the minutes.

              Hard to argue with that stat.
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              • #8
                Re: readjusting lineups (should we bring back the goon squad?)

                Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                I wouldn't suggest moving lineups around anymore.
                Why? Afraid to damage the non-existent chemistry in the starting lineup?

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                  Re: readjusting lineups (should we bring back the goon squad?)

                  Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                  Why? Afraid to damage the non-existent chemistry in the starting lineup?
                  Because it's a young team and they need consistency.

                  This starting lineup has won quite a few important games. And as I said, if Vogel makes the simple adjustment of

                  1. Bringing guys in quicker if something isn't working (which, he has been reluctant to do, although has gotten better)

                  and

                  2. As I suggested..if we do get ourselves in a hole. Try using the Goon squad to dig us out of it.

                  You've said it yourself, that the problem isn't with the shooting guard and power forward position. And we aren't going to start Price over Collison, or Foster over Hibbert..or Rush/Dun/Dahntay over Granger. So there's no point in messing with the psyche of the team with the other guys. Particularly since now the second unit is starting to have some good chemistry, so at least we have one unit with good chemistry..no need to mess it up again.

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                  • #10
                    Re: readjusting lineups (should we bring back the goon squad?)

                    Absolutely bring back the good squad. We should have Dun and Josh starting.

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                      Re: readjusting lineups (should we bring back the goon squad?)

                      Originally posted by Sookie View Post
                      You've said it yourself, that the problem isn't with the shooting guard and power forward position.
                      That is true. Those positions are not the problem, but with the current personnel manning those positions, they do contribute to the poor chemistry of the starting unit.

                      Coincidentally (or maybe not so much so) they also were driving forces behind the emergence of the unfortunately named "Good Squad."

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                        Re: readjusting lineups (should we bring back the goon squad?)

                        At this point in the game I would rather do what Sookie is suggesting.

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                          Re: readjusting lineups (should we bring back the goon squad?)

                          Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
                          That is true. Those positions are not the problem, but with the current personnel manning those positions, they do contribute to the poor chemistry of the starting unit.

                          Coincidentally (or maybe not so much so) they also were driving forces behind the emergence of the unfortunately named "Good Squad."
                          I don't know, I think Hans helps Roy in a way that Josh doesn't. Josh feeds him the ball in the right places and such. But with Hans on the floor, the other team has to pick who they defend. That helps Roy a lot.

                          And with PG, I'd rather we wait and bring back Dun slowly, and not mess with PG's head. (And PG hasn't been a problem in the starting lineup.)

                          And as I've said, we've won some really important games and games against some really good teams with this starting lineup.

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                            Re: readjusting lineups (should we bring back the goon squad?)

                            I don't really care, but we should start using the lineup now that we plan to use and are OK using against the Bulls in the first round of the playoffs.

                            Can Dunleavy guard the Bulls starting shooting guard? Who is their starting shooting guard? I guess it is Bogans. Mike can start against him, so I would move Mike into the starting lineup now assuming he is OK physically.

                            Is Josh or Tyler a better defender against Boozer - or really who can better defend Boozer in the pick and rolls because that is where Boozer gets the majority of his offense.
                            Last edited by Unclebuck; 04-05-2011, 04:33 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: readjusting lineups (should we bring back the goon squad?)

                              Should stay as is.

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