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Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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Year 3 Of Bird's Three-Year Plan...

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  • #16
    Re: Year 3 Of Bird's Three-Year Plan...

    Originally posted by Dr. Hibbert View Post
    Honest question. I see some folks on here defending the record and play as a result of the youth movement...but hasn't that youth movement been going on for a while now?
    No.

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    • #17
      Re: Year 3 Of Bird's Three-Year Plan...

      The way this board bounces, should the Pacers beat the Celtics, this thread will become "What do we need to change?"
      I am not certain what we need to do other than bring in guys who will bring EFFORT every night. This business of throwing up three pointers and missing gimmes while playing no defense doesn't add up to anyone's "three year plan", Bird included.
      The pieces are there..where's the motivation?

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      • #18
        Re: Year 3 Of Bird's Three-Year Plan...

        I think we have to wait until after the off season to really tell.

        Our big thing was the money we would have to spend. We haven't seen where we're going to go with that, yet.

        If Bird fails to bring in good players in the off season, then the 3 year plan was probably a massive failure.

        It's clear that a good majority of the roster needs to go. But it's unfair until we see what Bird can do with all that money we've been waiting to go away.

        But also, to be fair, it's very very hard to rebuild a whole team into what most of us expect in a 3 year period. That's not easy to do. And I think people sometimes view the real Pacers as NBA 2k11 or some other video game. Dealing with that actual amount of money and contracts is no easy task to handle. It's not like Bird can just turn on "Trade Override" and suddenly we're dominating. It doesn't work that way.

        We'll see, though.
        Stop quoting people I have on ignore!

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        • #19
          Re: Year 3 Of Bird's Three-Year Plan...

          I think the originater of this thread slightly missed the point of the three year plan. They knew there was an ugly luckout coming, and in large part the plan was to have money, coach, gm etc... coming off the books for the lockout. I don't think Bird ever said we'd have a great team in three years, just a playoff team.

          As it is, I think it's time to blow this team up. They way it's composed now is not going to compete, and I think it's time to try and move DG and DC and a few of the other less involved player.

          Not the best draft or free agency, so I'm hoping the Pacers keep cap room rolling forward and don't pull a Detriot, overpaying for mediocre talent. That or they use the cap room to absorb a bad contract as part of taking on a talent for teams looking to get under the new CBA.
          Danger Zone

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          • #20
            Re: Year 3 Of Bird's Three-Year Plan...

            Originally posted by Shade View Post
            My understanding of the "three-year plan" was that we would wait out our expiring contracts, acquire some assets with the cap space, and return to the playoffs in Year 4. So, if we make the playoffs this season, we will technically be slightly ahead of schedule, but only because the East is so bad this year.

            We have a lot of work to do in the off-season.
            No Bird said he would get us in the playoffs by year 3 or that was the goal.

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            • #21
              Re: Year 3 Of Bird's Three-Year Plan...

              I'd rather his goal for us to be a .500+ team.

              We'd be making the playoffs this season by default because the 8th seed and lower is full of bad teams.

              I wouldn't say that's mission accomplished at all.

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              • #22
                Re: Year 3 Of Bird's Three-Year Plan...

                The last 20 games this season has, if nothing else, made me question which positions we should be targeting with our cap space.

                Based on how the season has progressed and what I've seen from our starters, right now, I'm seeing point guard and shooting guard as higher priority than power forward, as it comes to finding a suitable starter to help lead us deeper into the playoffs over the next few years. I'm just not convinced that Darren and Paul are the answers at starter for the next few years. As backups, 100% yes. I may get stoned for saying this, but I'm not convinced that Roy is our long term answer at center unless we surround him with the right types of players. He has some physical limitations that no amount of gym time can fix.

                The unfortunate problem is, most of the players I would target for PG and SG are all restricted free agents this year...
                Sometimes a player's greatest challenge is coming to grips with his role on the team. -- Scottie Pippen

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                • #23
                  Re: Year 3 Of Bird's Three-Year Plan...

                  Keeping JOB for the 3 years plan has made the 3 years 6 years, thanks Larry and Jim..........
                  @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                  • #24
                    Re: Year 3 Of Bird's Three-Year Plan...

                    Larry Bird

                    BIG FAT LIAR!

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                    • #25
                      Re: Year 3 Of Bird's Three-Year Plan...

                      Originally posted by pacer4ever View Post
                      No Bird said he would get us in the playoffs by year 3 or that was the goal.
                      That was his goal, but 'The Plan' didn't refer to that goal, it referred to the bigger picture of becoming a good or better than good team again, which is supposed to start next year.

                      Obviously that's not looking too likely at this point, unless this off season is a home run.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Year 3 Of Bird's Three-Year Plan...

                        Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                        Keeping JOB for the 3 years plan has made the 3 years 6 years, thanks Larry and Jim..........
                        Ultimately, this was the BIGGEST mistake in the entire plan. I pretty much like all the players that we have. Now, if we can just find a coach to make it work. IMHO, Indiana needs to make trades to shorten the roster. To me, our biggest need is PG and starting SG.


                        Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                        • #27
                          Re: Year 3 Of Bird's Three-Year Plan...

                          Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                          But that was part of Bird's 3 year plan implementation. That's the problem. You can't pull one part to the side and ignore it.

                          If Bird was trying to assemble a bunch of young pieces for future development then he made a massive mistake of hiring JOB, a biggest mistake to keep him, and a monster mistake by extending him.

                          You lost your shot at Tom Thibideau and Doug Collins, just for starters. You wasted years of player development time.



                          Luckily there's tons of evidence for this. And of course by rock bottom you mean "kinda just below the middle sorta".

                          Sixers lost more games and are now winning more games. Took about one summer and a good coaching hire. It's not even their top draft pick that's doing this for them.

                          Magic were a playoff team, then won 21 games and fired Rivers. After 2 more seasons of 36 wins (oh no, stuck in the middle without a really high pick, they are doomed) they won 40 and made the playoffs...for Bob Hill no less.

                          The Heat were a .600 ball club. Fell to 36 and then 25 wins, and then returned to the top of the pile. Then had one 15 win season, and climb right back in the middle of things yet again.

                          And still managed to also clear the cap space for last summer even while making back to back playoff runs.
                          That doesn't qualify, that was when Wade was injured off and on

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                          • #28
                            Re: Year 3 Of Bird's Three-Year Plan...

                            Pacers have to make the playoffs or else Bird is a failure. No more excuses. This organization is looking platinum compared to it's state three years ago. Contract's and Player Personnel.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Year 3 Of Bird's Three-Year Plan...

                              Originally posted by Bball View Post
                              I say the team's fans that are left at this point are hard core enough to understand a rebuild and you wouldn't see a mass exodus at the gate.

                              These, for the most part, are fans that understand the NBA's CBA and understand the lottery system.

                              When you have what ultimately have been season upon season of 'lost' seasons eventually you have to ask what if we would've just played the younger players, taken our lumps, got them experience, and gotten a couple of high draft picks in the process during one or two of those seasons?

                              Would the casual fans have cared any less if the team had won 5-10 less games? Plus, you get some good PR with a top pick. Besides giving the hard core fans who understand the rebuilding process something to watch and cheer for hoping to see the development of the team as they play together, you also have the chance of landing casual fans to see this newcomer with all the accolades bestowed upon him.

                              Personally, I believe the hard core fans are turned off by mediocrity as much as the casual fans because the hard core fans understand being middle of the road tends to lead to a middle of the road pick and little chance of finding that star player the team needs. You at least stand a chance of energizing the hard core fans with a high draft pick and the opportunity to watch young players develop... rather than just creating apathy...

                              The problem with the O'Brien years was we had young players not developing nor getting consistent roles AND nothing but mediocre records and lost seasons to show for it either.

                              IMHO the 3 year plan should've been accepting we weren't going to be very good for much of that, shedding salary and making shrewd deals, developing young players, trying to win with the young players that we felt were part of the future (or could be part of the future), and collecting top draft picks. ....and maybe we catch lightning in a bottle and make the playoffs in there somewhere. ...and if not... well hindsight tells us we didn't make the playoffs anyway.... (of course I'm thinking this is year 4 of the 3 year plan... if you started the clock 3 years ago then maybe we do reach the playoffs in the 3rd year...)
                              This!!!!!

                              My complaint over the last 5 years has been our complete shortcutting/Managements complete denial of just how bad this roster situation was/is.

                              If we would have admitted the issue back in 2005-2006. We could have bottomed this out. Had a REAL youth movement with REAL upside prospects and correctly built.

                              Unfortunately now we've put a glass ceiling on what this "core" can really even become. We have to hope and pray that 2 guys better than anyone on this roster magically appear over the summer? Possible? Sure. Probable? No evidence to support it to be....

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