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Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

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  • Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

    I am still seeing regular comments on PD how we need to go after a power forward in the off season. That where we need help.

    Here are some Hansbrough stats over the past 10 games:

    FG% 58

    FT% 79

    PPG 21

    Reb/game 7.6

    Steals/game 1.4

    Is there room for improvement? Sure, with just about everyone including you and me BUT we all have seen and know Tyler has improved immensely over the course of this season. Who thought we would be seeing what we now see in him 2 months ago?

    What I want to know is what it is going to take to please the critics? He is going to get better and better given time and experience and we see that happening even now so why the dissatisfaction? I am not smart enough to see it (in view of his growth and continual growth).

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    You can't pose a question like this using a mere 10 game sample as evidence.

    I thought Tyler would be this productive since the Pacers drafted him, but to be fair, he hasn't been involved in the offense to this extent for very long. Let it play out through the postseason before making any definitive judgments about Indiana's offseason priorities. Eventually, defenses are going to adjust to him.
    Last edited by Kstat; 03-24-2011, 10:21 AM.

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      Considering that this is almost like his rookie season, his improvement throughout the year has been incredible.
      I still think getting a versatile big that can play both 4/5 in the off season should be a goal. There's nothing wrong with having a starting caliber big man coming off the bench weather it's Tyler, Roy or our new guy. Let's face it Antonio Davis would have started on almost any other team in his prime with the Pacers.
      The way Tyler is playing and improving it would be hard to justify playing him as a 6th. man though. I'm sold on Tyler being part of our future.
      Last edited by Pacerized; 03-24-2011, 10:28 AM.
      Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

      Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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        Originally posted by Pacerized View Post
        Considering that this is almost like his rookie season, his improvement throughout the year has been incredible. fficeffice" />>>
        I still think getting a versatile big that can play both 4/5 in the off season should be a goal. There's nothing wrong with having a starting caliber big man coming off the bench weather it's Tyler, ffice:smarttags" />lace>Roylace> or our new guy. Let's face it Antonio Davis would have started on almost any other team in his prime with the Pacers. >>
        The way lace>Tylerlace> is playing and improving it would be hard to justify playing him as a 6th. man though. I'm sold on Tyler being part of our future.

        I have no idea what the hell the message you just just tried to convey actually means.

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          Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

          The big knock on Hansbrough a month ago was that he was a black hole on offense and that his FG% was too low. Well his offense has become the most efficient on our roster and his FG% is through the roof.

          What are the complaints about him now?

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            Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

            You need more than ten games to get a good read on a guy.

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              Granted we need to see if Hansbrough can continue this trend but I don't think that PF is the biggest weakness of this team. It's probably the 3rd or maybe even 4th weakest position.

              The biggest need the Pacers have, IMO, is at SG and PG follows closely behind. They are also weaker at Center (depth-wise) than they are at PF. It's possible that the young talent the Pacers have at the guard positions will improve enough to the point that they are not positions of weakness but as of right now that's the way I see it.

              At any rate, the Pacers need to add talent and it doesn't matter if Tyler is your potential starting PF of the future and Roy is the Center of the future. If you can add someone like David West or Tyson Chandler you do it because it will make your team better. Having too much talent is a good problem to have and one that all the top teams have to deal with.

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                If tylers jumper continues to be.money then we do not need a pf. Our upgrade position should be at pg if we are looking to improve.

                This is coming from a Darren fan as well.

                With the scoring from Danny and Tyler it makes the sg position a defensive position. Roy is giving us 12 a game.

                With that said I do not know who we would go after but a player like dwill would make.this.team top 5 worthy pretty quick. We would have to wait another year to get him though.

                Next year if it does not look like he.will resign offer George and dc for him..

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                  Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
                  I have no idea what the hell the message you just just tried to convey actually means.
                  I have no idea what happened. That wasn't the way I typed it. It seems to be o.k. now that I've edited it though.
                  Larry Bird qouted March 25th. 2015:

                  Bird: I wanted to keep our group together because in the summer, if David and Roy opt out, we're back to zero, really. We don't have that much, so you leave your options open. If we did make a trade, I didn't want to take on a lot of contracts -- because that's what usually happens. Plus, I liked my guys. They're playing well. If we keep the core together and Paul comes back healthy, we'll be right back to where we were.

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                    Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

                    Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
                    The big knock on Hansbrough a month ago was that he was a black hole on offense and that his FG% was too low. Well his offense has become the most efficient on our roster and his FG% is through the roof.

                    What are the complaints about him now?


                    Against physical defenders he disappears... this is coming from a supporter though.

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                      Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

                      Originally posted by PacerHound View Post
                      I am still seeing regular comments on PD how we need to go after a power forward in the off season. That where we need help.

                      What I want to know is what it is going to take to please the critics? He is going to get better and better given time and experience and we see that happening even now so why the dissatisfaction? I am not smart enough to see it (in view of his growth and continual growth).
                      What would it take to please me? For him to do it for the rest of season and actually play well against good playoff defense like Boston's (edit he just went 4-14 against Boston). David West on the other hand just went 14-23 scoring 32 points against Boston.

                      I think Tyler has given Bird a reason to reconsider signing a starting pf in the off season but personally I don't think he has done enough to show that his position shouldn't be upgraded. OF course I don't think anybody on the team has earned that right.
                      Last edited by Gamble1; 03-24-2011, 10:45 AM.

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                        Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

                        He will need to:

                        1. Cure cancer
                        2. Spread peace throughout the Middle East with a glance
                        3. Invent a free unimited power source for all
                        4. Discover how to build vehicles with all the power and utility they have now, but use no gas
                        5. Average 20/20/10/10 for the next 10 years

                        Honestly, I don't know...
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                          I've never been the biggest Hansbrough fan, but I've been pretty happy with his development. That said, I don't see why Hans' developing should stop us from looking at other PFs. We do need more help.

                          Next year, we'll have only 2 bigs under contract (Hibbert and Hans). Ideally, we'd want to get up to 5 rotation quality bigs. I'd say we should go after the best bigs available, and if one these guys prove to be a better starter than Hans (or even Hib) then all the better for our team.

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                            Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

                            Roy was run away Most Improved in 13 games in November. Near East Allstar Center type numbers or at least could have been considered.

                            I don't get why I have to decide anything right now on how good Tyler is.

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                              Re: Hansbrough - What Does It Take To Please

                              Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                              I thought Tyler would be this productive since the Pacers drafted him
                              Maybe he would have without the health issues. IDK. I still think we need more production from the 2.

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