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  • #16
    Re: Dunleavy "Update"

    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
    Yep we need him because he was killing it on the offensive end before he got hurt.................


    8 points againts Washington, 3 points againts Detroit, 5 points againts Miami, 4 points againts Milkwaukee, 15 againts Minny, 5 againts Charlotte, 2 againts Miami.
    Good thing points are the only thing that's important on the offensive end.

    Pacers went 5-2 in those games by the way, only losses to the Heat. Of course Dunleavy is blamed for those 2 b/c he was in foul trouble and didn't see the floor much in the 1st loss, and then Wade got hot against him in the 2nd loss. 2nd one is arguable, 1st round is a bailout

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    • #17
      Re: Dunleavy "Update"

      He needs to come in for Jones, not Rush.
      "As a bearded man, i was very disappointed in Love. I am gathering other bearded men to discuss the status of Kevin Love's beard. I am motioning that it must be shaved."

      - ilive4sports

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      • #18
        Re: Dunleavy "Update"

        Originally posted by Psyren View Post
        Agreed.

        Now that we've seen that Dahntay is actually a decent offensive player (despite being a black hole), I just don't want to see Rush take the floor unless it's due to foul trouble.

        In my opinion, and I'm sure some will disagree, PG is already a better defender than Rush. Dahntay is just as good at Rush, and he actually isn't afraid of the paint.

        Both of those guys are just as good, if not better defenders than Rush. They're both more confident, and they actually contribute to the offense.

        I sure hope Rush is gone at the end of this season. Having Dun back for at least the playoffs (if we make it) would be huge. Dun is a defensive liability, but we have Dahntay to play as our 2nd unit defensive stopper. At least Dunleavy would facilitate the offense and not just disappear on us.

        The only way I want Rush back is if Dahntay is gone/Rush can play in case of injury or foul trouble.

        Rush to me is the 11th or 12th guy. Nice to have around in case of foul trouble/injuries and he's not completely horrible, just mostly.

        And hey, at least he can hit an open 3 pointer every now and then

        Go ahead Rush lovers. Feel free to tell me why I'm wrong.
        Dun can actually play his natural position of SF in the second unit with Jones playing SG. That will help his defense as well.

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        • #19
          Re: Dunleavy "Update"

          Originally posted by dal9 View Post
          not to be a jackazz, but i really dont remember this


          That's because it didn't happen....


          10 games before injury


          FG% .395
          3PT% .317
          FT% .684
          REB 5.3
          AST 1.4
          STL 0.7
          BLK 0.8
          PPG 9.0


          Pacers 5-5 in those games
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          • #20
            Re: Dunleavy "Update"

            Originally posted by Psyren View Post
            Agreed.

            Now that we've seen that Dahntay is actually a decent offensive player (despite being a black hole), I just don't want to see Rush take the floor unless it's due to foul trouble.

            In my opinion, and I'm sure some will disagree, PG is already a better defender than Rush. Dahntay is just as good at Rush, and he actually isn't afraid of the paint.

            Both of those guys are just as good, if not better defenders than Rush. They're both more confident, and they actually contribute to the offense.

            I sure hope Rush is gone at the end of this season. Having Dun back for at least the playoffs (if we make it) would be huge. Dun is a defensive liability, but we have Dahntay to play as our 2nd unit defensive stopper. At least Dunleavy would facilitate the offense and not just disappear on us.

            The only way I want Rush back is if Dahntay is gone/Rush can play in case of injury or foul trouble.

            Rush to me is the 11th or 12th guy. Nice to have around in case of foul trouble/injuries and he's not completely horrible, just mostly.

            And hey, at least he can hit an open 3 pointer every now and then

            Go ahead Rush lovers. Feel free to tell me why I'm wrong.
            Now that LB tried to trade Brandon unsuccessfully twice other GMs will readily understand he isn't much and we won't get anything for him in a trade.The trade that never was hurts a lot. The rush apologists are becoming fewer and fewer.

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            • #21
              Re: Dunleavy "Update"

              Originally posted by Dr. Goldfoot View Post
              That's because it didn't happen....


              10 games before injury


              FG% .395
              3PT% .317
              FT% .684
              REB 5.3
              AST 1.4
              STL 0.7
              BLK 0.8
              PPG 9.0


              Pacers 5-5 in those games
              So you are saying that he is not the offensive machine we need?
              @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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              • #22
                Re: Dunleavy "Update"

                Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                So you are saying that he is not the offensive machine we need?
                Of course he isn't the offensive machine we need but he is better than some of the alternatives that you seem to prefer. But do not be sad because you can still be a Brandon fan no matter which team he is on next season.

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                • #23
                  Re: Dunleavy "Update"

                  Originally posted by Dr. Goldfoot View Post
                  That's because it didn't happen....


                  10 games before injury


                  FG% .395
                  3PT% .317
                  FT% .684
                  REB 5.3
                  AST 1.4
                  STL 0.7
                  BLK 0.8
                  PPG 9.0


                  Pacers 5-5 in those games

                  I'm confused. Are we talking about Dunleavy here? I guess not?

                  Because if we are, those numbers are totally off.

                  Dunleavy shot .500 FG% his last ten games.

                  Also, .500% from the 3.

                  and .769 FT%....

                  You were looking at someone else's line, or something.

                  And, the Pacers went 7-3, not 5-5. That was Feb 2 to Feb 22.
                  Last edited by kester99; 03-20-2011, 04:23 PM.


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                  • #24
                    Re: Dunleavy "Update"

                    How did he break his thumb in the first place?
                    In 49 states it's just basketball, but this is Indiana!

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                    • #25
                      Re: Dunleavy "Update"

                      Originally posted by Scot Pollard View Post
                      How did he break his thumb in the first place?
                      his wife kicked him in the butt.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Dunleavy "Update"

                        Originally posted by kester99 View Post
                        I'm confused. Are we talking about Dunleavy here? I guess not?

                        Because if we are, those numbers are totally off.

                        Dunleavy shot .500 FG% his last ten games.

                        Also, .500% from the 3.

                        and .769 FT%....

                        You were looking at someone else's line, or something.

                        And, the Pacers went 7-3, not 5-5. That was Feb 2 to Feb 22.
                        That's what I thought as well.

                        So Dunleavy might be back late next week. If so, I definitely think he should be back with the team and probably should go back to the starting lineup when he's ready because PG hasn't been very good since he's been in the starting lineup and the bench has lost a lot of it's punch without him. Paul will also have his number called more with the bench players and there will be less pressure on him to perform.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Dunleavy "Update"

                          If and when, I imagine Vogel will bring him back as a 2nd unit guy first, to see how much rust needs to be worked off. If we're winning consistently at that point, he may well stay in the 2nd unit. He was down to about 22 minutes a game under V (from 30-some under JOB) anyway.


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                          • #28
                            Re: Dunleavy "Update"

                            Originally posted by naptownmenace View Post
                            That's what I thought as well.

                            So Dunleavy might be back late next week. If so, I definitely think he should be back with the team and probably should go back to the starting lineup when he's ready because PG hasn't been very good since he's been in the starting lineup and the bench has lost a lot of it's punch without him. Paul will also have his number called more with the bench players and there will be less pressure on him to perform.
                            I think that the offense has been bad because BOTH PG AND Hansbrough ( both more aggressive and effective on the offensive end ) has been replaced by BRush and McBob...both of which aren't as effective at scoring but more often then not facilitate and move the ball around.

                            IMHO....I think that we should keep things the way they are once Dunleavy returns:

                            1st Unit Starting Lineup ( keep it the way it is now ):

                            PG - Collison
                            SG - George
                            SF - Granger
                            PF - Hansbrough
                            C - Hibbert

                            2nd Unit Backup Lineup:

                            PG - Lance or AJ ( whoever doesn't show up late for the game )
                            SG - Inferno or BRush ( based off of matchup and need )
                            SF - Dunleavy
                            PF - McBob
                            C - Foster

                            Moving Dunleavy to the 2nd Unit while pairing him up with Inferno or BRush at the backup SG/SF spots and McBob and Foster should help on the defensive end. IMHO.....Inferno and BRush shouldn't be on the floor at the same time.....BRush's passiveness on the offensive end can hurt the Team at times...whereas the same can be said of Inferno's "black hole" offense. I'd prefer to have either of them....specifically defensive minded role Players...to only be paired up with Dunleavy. On the offensive end...I think that pairing Lance ( or AJ ), Dunleavy and McBob should significantly improve the ball movement. This would also allow Dunleavy to be more of a primary scorer and facilitator in the 2nd Unit and make the 2nd Unit scoring more efficient and therefore effective.

                            As most would probably prefer....given PGs improving offensive skills and his notable improved defensive skills.....along with adding Hansbrough's offensive and defensive presense to the Starting lineup...we should keep the Starting lineup the way it is. Having a Starting Lineup with DC/PG/Granger/Hansbrough/Hibbert...specifically decent to solid scoring options at all spots in the lineup while ( most notably ) being solid on the Defensive end COULD force opposing Teams to be more honest on the defensive end.

                            I think that adding Dunleavy to the 2nd unit will have less impact to the overall chemistry of the rotation then adding him to the Starting lineup. For defensive purposes and the existing continuity...I'd really prefer to keep the 1st and 2nd unit more balanced based off of the way it is now....especially with defense a concern with Dunleavy at the Starting SG spot.
                            Last edited by CableKC; 03-22-2011, 02:57 PM.
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                            • #29
                              Re: Dunleavy "Update"

                              Originally posted by Psyren View Post
                              Agreed.

                              Now that we've seen that Dahntay is actually a decent offensive player (despite being a black hole), I just don't want to see Rush take the floor unless it's due to foul trouble.

                              In my opinion, and I'm sure some will disagree, PG is already a better defender than Rush. Dahntay is just as good at Rush, and he actually isn't afraid of the paint.

                              Both of those guys are just as good, if not better defenders than Rush. They're both more confident, and they actually contribute to the offense.

                              I sure hope Rush is gone at the end of this season. Having Dun back for at least the playoffs (if we make it) would be huge. Dun is a defensive liability, but we have Dahntay to play as our 2nd unit defensive stopper. At least Dunleavy would facilitate the offense and not just disappear on us.

                              The only way I want Rush back is if Dahntay is gone/Rush can play in case of injury or foul trouble.

                              Rush to me is the 11th or 12th guy. Nice to have around in case of foul trouble/injuries and he's not completely horrible, just mostly.

                              And hey, at least he can hit an open 3 pointer every now and then

                              Go ahead Rush lovers. Feel free to tell me why I'm wrong.
                              Paul George is not a better defender than Brandon Rush. Watch Rush play, he is the team's best on the ball defender and has enough quickness to stay between his man and the basket.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Dunleavy "Update"

                                Originally posted by Scot Pollard View Post
                                How did he break his thumb in the first place?
                                Maybe we should ask Lance.....
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