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Guess our record after the all star break

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  • Guess our record after the all star break

    What do you guys think our record will be after this all star break? We have 28 games to go.

    Looking at our schedule, it looks as if we have a lot of games coming up that I think are very winnable.

    I'm going to post the schedule and put either Win or Loss after each game, then add up the score. If you want to do it in this format, that would be nice.

    Tue 22 @ Washington Win
    Wed 23 vs Detroit Win
    Fri 25 vs Utah Loss
    Sun 27 vs Phoenix Loss
    March
    Tue 01 vs Golden State Win
    Wed 02 @ Oklahoma City Loss
    Fri 04 @ Dallas Loss
    Sat 05 @ Houston Win
    Tue 08 vs Philadelphia Win
    Wed 09 @ Minnesota Win
    Fri 11 @ Toronto Win
    Sun 13 @ New York Loss
    Tue 15 vs New York Win
    Wed 16 @ Boston Win
    Fri 18 vs Chicago Loss
    Sat 19 @ Memphis Win
    Mon 21 @ New Jersey Win
    Wed 23 @ Charlotte Win
    Fri 25 vs Sacramento Win
    Sat 26 @ Detroit Win
    Mon 28 vs Boston Loss
    Wed 30 vs Detroit Win
    April
    Fri 01 vs Milwaukee Loss
    Sun 03 @ New Orleans Loss
    Wed 06 vs Washington Loss
    Fri 08 vs Atlanta Loss
    Sun 10 vs New York Win
    Wed 13 @ Orlando Win

    So the way I have predicted, we would be 17-11 our last 28 games which would put us at 41-41 on the season. I would say that would be a good end to our season, but i'm OBVIOUSLY being optimistic.
    Last edited by Spirit; 02-20-2011, 08:17 PM.

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    Re: Guess our record after the all star break

    Tue 22 @ Washington Win
    Wed 23 vs Detroit Win
    Fri 25 vs Utah Loss
    Sun 27 vs Phoenix Loss
    March
    Tue 01 vs Golden State Win
    Wed 02 @ Oklahoma City Loss
    Fri 04 @ Dallas Loss
    Sat 05 @ Houston Loss
    Tue 08 vs Philadelphia Win
    Wed 09 @ Minnesota Win
    Fri 11 @ Toronto Win
    Sun 13 @ New York Loss
    Tue 15 vs New York Loss
    Wed 16 @ Boston Loss
    Fri 18 vs Chicago Loss
    Sat 19 @ Memphis Loss
    Mon 21 @ New Jersey Win
    Wed 23 @ Charlotte Loss
    Fri 25 vs Sacramento Win
    Sat 26 @ Detroit Win
    Mon 28 vs Boston Loss
    Wed 30 vs Detroit Win
    April
    Fri 01 vs Milwaukee Win
    Sun 03 @ New Orleans Loss
    Wed 06 vs Washington Win
    Fri 08 vs Atlanta Loss
    Sun 10 vs New York Win
    Wed 13 @ Orlando Win

    14-14
    38 wins

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    • #3
      Re: Guess our record after the all star break

      I think it will be just over .500. Something like 15-13.

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      • #4
        Re: Guess our record after the all star break

        I think we'll pull out a few suprise wins and finish this season with 41 wins.

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        • #5
          Re: Guess our record after the all star break

          for 20-8

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          • #6
            Re: Guess our record after the all star break

            Originally posted by LA_Confidential View Post
            for 20-8
            With the record looking the way it is that's not impossible.. but it's not very likely (Obvious!)

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              Re: Guess our record after the all star break

              28-0
              "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

              ----------------- Reggie Miller

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                Re: Guess our record after the all star break

                Tue 22 @ Washington Win
                Wed 23 vs Detroit Win
                Fri 25 vs Utah Loss
                Sun 27 vs Phoenix Win
                March
                Tue 01 vs Golden State Win
                Wed 02 @ Oklahoma City Loss
                Fri 04 @ Dallas Loss
                Sat 05 @ Houston Win
                Tue 08 vs Philadelphia Win
                Wed 09 @ Minnesota Win
                Fri 11 @ Toronto Win
                Sun 13 @ New York Loss
                Tue 15 vs New York Win
                Wed 16 @ Boston Loss
                Fri 18 vs Chicago Loss
                Sat 19 @ Memphis Win
                Mon 21 @ New Jersey Win
                Wed 23 @ Charlotte Loss
                Fri 25 vs Sacramento Win
                Sat 26 @ Detroit Win
                Mon 28 vs Boston Loss
                Wed 30 vs Detroit Win
                April
                Fri 01 vs Milwaukee Win
                Sun 03 @ New Orleans Loss
                Wed 06 vs Washington Win
                Fri 08 vs Atlanta Loss
                Sun 10 vs New York Loss
                Wed 13 @ Orlando Win

                17-11. Safely in the playoffs.
                "I had to take her down like Chris Brown."

                -Lance Stephenson

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                  Re: Guess our record after the all star break

                  Seems like I wasn't being too ridiculous with my prediction

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                  • #10
                    Re: Guess our record after the all star break

                    Before we played Detriot, I would have been confident in saying we would go 17-11 and end up at .500 for the season. Hopefully they can put that game behind them and play their smashmouth game again.

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                      Re: Guess our record after the all star break

                      Let's see. A loss at home to either the Suns or Jazz at home in Feb but probably not both. A loss to OKC, Dallas, Boston and New York on the road in March. That's 4 more losses. If Melo goes to NY, we could lose to NY at home, as well as Boston and Chicago. Three more losses. In April we have Orlando on the road with New Orleans as a possible road loss as well. Two more losses. And we have the Knicks and Hawks at home. Potentially 2 more losses.

                      We also might lose to the Bobcats on the road, but this leaves 16 games that we should win. However, an important consideration is that some of these winnable games are on the 2nd night of back-to-backs where the first game is a tough one against a physical opponent.

                      So I think it's likely that we go .500 the rest of the way, losing 2 games that we might otherwise hope to win. We won't fall further below .500; the last playoff spot will likely go to us b/c we have less in the loss column right now than a few other teams, and they would need to play over .500 ball to beat us out.

                      However, another important consideration is whether we catch Atlanta, NY or Orlando when they have their seeds locked up and have started resting players. Orlando may have their fates decided, but maybe not one of the other teams. Will go on record for 15-13.

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                        Re: Guess our record after the all star break

                        17-11, 41 wins. .500 would be fine with me. pacers just have to win games.

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                          Re: Guess our record after the all star break

                          Originally posted by pacers74 View Post
                          Before we played Detriot, I would have been confident in saying we would go 17-11 and end up at .500 for the season. Hopefully they can put that game behind them and play their smashmouth game again.
                          this.

                          i'm gonna say 14-14. i hope thye prove me wrong.

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                            Re: Guess our record after the all star break

                            How awesome would it be to go 18-10 and actually finish above .500?

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                            • #15
                              Re: Guess our record after the all star break

                              I predicted 41-41 at the beginning of the year, so I'm gonna stick with that and say we go 17-11.

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