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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

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Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

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It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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  • #16
    Re: New Logo?

    Originally posted by rscarey
    Aw...I really like everything as is right now. I don't think I would mind if we got new uniforms...but I definitely think we should keep the logo.
    I agree with you.I think our logo should not be changed.I would like to see some new uniforms though.PLEASE KEEP OUR LOGO THE SAME!!
    Super Bowl XLI Champions
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    • #17
      Re: New Logo?

      I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of a new logo. I know alot of you guys like it, but I don't really care for it.

      I remember hearing a year back or so that Donnie Walsh wanted to appeal to more african americans since the Pacers fanbase was predominantly caucasion. Maybe this new uni and logo is an attempt to be more appealing. He did say the players had creative imput on it.

      A new name would kick ***. I think the 'Pacers' sounds kinda fairy-ish. It doesn't say anything good about our team. It just doesn't strike fear. It's almost as bad as the Clippers.

      Lastly, I sure hope that the new jerseys do NOT have pin-stripes. I hate the pin-striped jerseys now. It looks like someone pissed on a Yankee's jersey. I'm a fan or our retro jersey, and since this new jersey is suppoe to look almost "retro", I'm hoping it looks alot like our "retro" we have now.

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      • #18
        Maybe I just don't agree, but...

        Pacers, "fairy-ish"?

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        • #19
          Re: Maybe I just don't agree, but...

          Originally posted by MSA2CF
          Pacers, "fairy-ish"?

          Would that make Reggie the tooth fairy?
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          • #20
            Re: New Logo?

            Originally posted by homedoggie
            I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of a new logo. I know alot of you guys like it, but I don't really care for it.

            I remember hearing a year back or so that Donnie Walsh wanted to appeal to more african americans since the Pacers fanbase was predominantly caucasion. Maybe this new uni and logo is an attempt to be more appealing. He did say the players had creative imput on it.

            A new name would kick ***. I think the 'Pacers' sounds kinda fairy-ish. It doesn't say anything good about our team. It just doesn't strike fear. It's almost as bad as the Clippers.

            Lastly, I sure hope that the new jerseys do NOT have pin-stripes. I hate the pin-striped jerseys now. It looks like someone pissed on a Yankee's jersey. I'm a fan or our retro jersey, and since this new jersey is suppoe to look almost "retro", I'm hoping it looks alot like our "retro" we have now.
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            ...Still "flying casual"
            @roaminggnome74

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            • #21
              Re: New Logo?

              I'd accept a return to the old school logo or minor tweaks, but I probally won't like a radical alteration or a totally new logo...
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              • #22
                Re: New Logo?

                A new name?A new logo?New jerseys?
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                • #23
                  Re: New Logo?

                  Originally posted by PacerFanAdam
                  There is no picture of the logo because it hasn't been released yet. I think we're getting a new logo. Its a 100 percent fact that we are getting new uniforms for 2005-2006, so I don't think it's that unbelivable to think that a logo will come with that.
                  It's not a matter of believability, it's a matter of proof. The guy said he had, in his hands, proof that we were getting a new logo to go along with the new uniforms. I said, prove it, and now the post is gone. I think there's a possibility that we might get new logos, or maybe just a modernization of the same logo (3d appearance, slightly more tilted, etc.). But I'm not going to be one of those guys who believes everything some guy says without any demands for some proof, unless that guys has a reputation at stake.

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                  • #24
                    Re: New Logo?

                    Originally posted by Roaming
                    Originally posted by homedoggie
                    I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of a new logo. I know alot of you guys like it, but I don't really care for it.

                    I remember hearing a year back or so that Donnie Walsh wanted to appeal to more african americans since the Pacers fanbase was predominantly caucasion. Maybe this new uni and logo is an attempt to be more appealing. He did say the players had creative imput on it.

                    A new name would kick ***. I think the 'Pacers' sounds kinda fairy-ish. It doesn't say anything good about our team. It just doesn't strike fear. It's almost as bad as the Clippers.

                    Lastly, I sure hope that the new jerseys do NOT have pin-stripes. I hate the pin-striped jerseys now. It looks like someone pissed on a Yankee's jersey. I'm a fan or our retro jersey, and since this new jersey is suppoe to look almost "retro", I'm hoping it looks alot like our "retro" we have now.
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                    My thanks to you Gnome, for being such an asshat. I gave my oppinion, and you took 3 seconds out of your life to prove what a dick you are. I hope you get Nut Cancer.

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                    • #25
                      Re: New Logo?

                      Originally posted by homedoggie
                      Originally posted by Roaming
                      Originally posted by homedoggie
                      I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of a new logo. I know alot of you guys like it, but I don't really care for it.

                      I remember hearing a year back or so that Donnie Walsh wanted to appeal to more african americans since the Pacers fanbase was predominantly caucasion. Maybe this new uni and logo is an attempt to be more appealing. He did say the players had creative imput on it.

                      A new name would kick ***. I think the 'Pacers' sounds kinda fairy-ish. It doesn't say anything good about our team. It just doesn't strike fear. It's almost as bad as the Clippers.

                      Lastly, I sure hope that the new jerseys do NOT have pin-stripes. I hate the pin-striped jerseys now. It looks like someone pissed on a Yankee's jersey. I'm a fan or our retro jersey, and since this new jersey is suppoe to look almost "retro", I'm hoping it looks alot like our "retro" we have now.
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                      My thanks to you Gnome, for being such an asshat. I gave my oppinion, and you took 3 seconds out of your life to prove what a dick you are. I hope you get Nut Cancer.

                      Why does it seem that everyone around here is just trying to get banned this offseason?
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                      • #26
                        Re: New Logo?

                        Originally posted by naturallystoned
                        Originally posted by homedoggie
                        Originally posted by Roaming
                        Originally posted by homedoggie
                        I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of a new logo. I know alot of you guys like it, but I don't really care for it.

                        I remember hearing a year back or so that Donnie Walsh wanted to appeal to more african americans since the Pacers fanbase was predominantly caucasion. Maybe this new uni and logo is an attempt to be more appealing. He did say the players had creative imput on it.

                        A new name would kick ***. I think the 'Pacers' sounds kinda fairy-ish. It doesn't say anything good about our team. It just doesn't strike fear. It's almost as bad as the Clippers.

                        Lastly, I sure hope that the new jerseys do NOT have pin-stripes. I hate the pin-striped jerseys now. It looks like someone pissed on a Yankee's jersey. I'm a fan or our retro jersey, and since this new jersey is suppoe to look almost "retro", I'm hoping it looks alot like our "retro" we have now.
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                        My thanks to you Gnome, for being such an asshat. I gave my oppinion, and you took 3 seconds out of your life to prove what a dick you are. I hope you get Nut Cancer.

                        Why does it seem that everyone around here is just trying to get banned this offseason?

                        I feel that my oppinion is just as valuable as Gnomes. And evidentally he felt that a smiley emoticon aimed at degrading my post was a justifiable action. I don't feel that way. I thought what I said was right on the ball.

                        Now, I am a highly respected member at another site, and I always post my oppinion on the Pacers, as well as other teams as honestly as I can. I don't sugar coat things. But I also don't try to draw first blood by posting a smiley as degredation to someone else's post.

                        I have a site of my own coming out, Zero Gravity Sports. I hope to see some of you guys there, but I will not spam, it's not my way. If any of you guys want to check it out when it opens, I'll be glad to drop a site adress via PM.

                        I just wanted to add that part. As for Gnome, I overreacted to him, but I feel as tho I was being dissed, and I took action. If I get banned, he should get banned too. However, I don't think a brainless smiley post and an angered retaliation is good enough cause for banning.

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                        • #27
                          Re: New Logo?

                          Originally posted by homedoggie
                          My thanks to you Gnome, for being such an asshat. I gave my oppinion, and you took 3 seconds out of your life to prove what a dick you are. I hope you get Nut Cancer.
                          This is your warning. This kind of crap won't fly here.

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                          • #28
                            Re: New Logo?

                            As for Gnome, his was a hell of a lot more tame than yours, and if you're wondering why you're being called on and not him, it's because his didn't cross the line, but yours easily did.

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                            • #29
                              Re: New Logo?

                              I thought my later post summed up how I felt. I thought that I had made it clear that I know I overreacted. If you are going to censor me for calling someone a uber-loobing ***-jammer, then I don't think I want to post here anymore. I'm a die hard pacers fan, but I'm also a human being and I have feelings.

                              I don't respond well to people treating my like ****. I can see this site is one big click, you have your favorite posters, and since I'm not one of them, I'm the one that get's the boot.

                              Anyways, hicks, since you are the owner/admin/god of this board, what you says should go. But I'm not going to take your warning, instead I'm just going to tell you that this site has potential, but it's still just a small site filled with ghastly rumors and post-padders. Your warning won't make me watch my tongue, your warning won't make me become less a man.

                              You see what I'm doing? I'm making a very long post. I'm not posting a smiley emoticon to show how much I hate your post. I'm explaining it. I rarely post here anyways, so this don't really effect me to much. And all I can say is you can ban me, but I will be back. I won't be back to retaliate, just to read the rumors, and be the silent fly on the wall like I was before; before I made the mistake of giving my honest oppinion so some monkey in a cage with a keyboard could insult my post, and my oppinion, which isn't very valuable, because I only make worthy posts.

                              Good-day.

                              Chao,
                              Roberto

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                              • #30
                                Re: New Logo?

                                I understand why you were upset, and it truly is understandable. But that doesn't justify the over the top response you gave. When people say the kind of things you did earlier, they get one warning, and if they do it again, they're gone. That's all. If that's some kind of outrageous proposal to you, then maybe it's best you leave, because it won't change. However, in the meantime, no one's getting banned, you can still read/talk about whatever you wish. Leave or stay, it's up to you. But I will never allow the kind of filth that you displayed earlier to become common here.

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