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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

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  • Don't blame Danny...

    for being the best player on this team, but not being one of the best players in the NBA.

    It is not his fault that there is not a player on the roster who's better than him. It's not even Bird's fault. When have we had the opportunity to acquire a better player than Granger?

    While we're at it, let's stop talking about his $60 million contract like it means he should be Kobe. Danny gets paid like a 2nd banana does on a really good team. How many 2nd bananas are consistently asked to win games for their team? He makes less than Rashard Lewis, Pau Gasol, Vince Carter, Jason Richardson, and Andrew Bynum to name a few. None of those guys are expected to carry their teams anywhere.

    Also, let's throw out the concept of a "franchise" player. It's useless especially if you somehow create it with the ability to get your own shot during crunch time. I guess Jameer Nelson is Orlando's franchise player. If that's your criterion, I guess TJ Ford is ours. It's not like there's a guy on the roster who does a better job of getting their own shot against tough defense.

    I'll say it again, don't blame Granger. I've never been a huge fan of his, but I like him as player. I like what I've seen this season more than I've ever liked what I've seen in the past. Over the past 3 games he's pretty much locked down 3 20+ ppg scorers: Joe Johnson, Eric Gordon, and Vince Carter. He's showing a commitment on the defensive end. He's not breaking the offense and looking for his own shot, and he's passing more effectively than at any other point in his career.
    "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

    - Salman Rushdie

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    Re: Don't blame Danny...

    I love Granger, love what he brings to the table

    His only weakness in my opinion, is his inability to break people down off the dribble. Granger can sometimes get his own shot off, but when we are down by a point with the clock down to 5 seconds, we have really no one who can take his man off the dribble , strong to the hole. Danny will usually get that last shot opportunity, but its a jab step followed by a long jumper
    Sittin on top of the world!

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    • #3
      Re: Don't blame Danny...

      Let's also not act like Granger's contract is some sweetheart deal for the Pacers.

      It's probably fair compensation, but it isn't like he did us any huge favors by signing that contract.

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        Re: Don't blame Danny...

        Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
        Let's also not act like Granger's contract is some sweetheart deal for the Pacers.

        It's probably fair compensation, but it isn't like he did us any huge favors by signing that contract.
        I disagree

        I think he could have definitley gotten a max contract from a few different teams, very simmlar to the JO situation
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          Re: Don't blame Danny...

          Originally posted by Mackey_Rose View Post
          Let's also not act like Granger's contract is some sweetheart deal for the Pacers.

          It's probably fair compensation, but it isn't like he did us any huge favors by signing that contract.
          ITs a lot harder to get fair compensation in the NBA with your star player. Just ask the Hornets with Peja or the Hawks with Joe Johnson or Baron Davis with the Clippers or the Pistons with Ben Gordon or Jamison when he was with the Wizards, etc etc....

          Edit: I bet I could point out more teams that over paid for a star player than you could come up those teams that didn't.
          Last edited by Gamble1; 11-22-2010, 02:19 PM.

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            Re: Don't blame Danny...

            Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
            I disagree

            I think he could have definitley gotten a max contract from a few different teams, very simmlar to the JO situation
            I really, really don't think so.

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            • #7
              Re: Don't blame Danny...

              I don't know about max, but it was smart for us to give that extension before he became a restricted FA. We did it based on his play till 2008. If he became a FA after 2009 season when he was playing like an All Star... I think it's fair to assume there would have been quite a few buyers.

              Who were top free agents during summer 2009 anyway? Shawn Marion, Hedo Turkoglu, Ron Artest, Allen Iverson... who else? Kobe, Nash resigned with their own teams, Boozer took his option, so there was quite a few mediocre players getting overpayed. Danny would have been the top of the FA class.

              Max or not max, we would have payed much more to match his contract.

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              • #8
                Re: Don't blame Danny...

                It's all relative. Granger could go out and drop 30+ on Lebron tonight (as he has in the past) and people would give him some credit, but then get right back on him after the next loss. It comes with the territory Danny is in and will probably keep coming at him until the Pacers are consistent winners.


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                • #9
                  Re: Don't blame Danny...

                  idk...based on value to this team, i'd argue hibbert is far more valuable right now. but does hibbert's value make him a better player than danny? or is hibbert's value more of a product of the pacers lacking a solid back-up post presence?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Don't blame Danny...

                    There isn't a team in the NBA who'd sign Granger to the max.

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                      Re: Don't blame Danny...

                      Joe Johnson got the max (highest payed player in the league IIRC, as did rudy gay (who has looked great this year, but was coming off a year where he certainly didn't earn it.)

                      Granger could very well get the max depending on the situation.
                      Goodbye Captain, My Captain. I wish you had the chance to sink or swim with your ship on its quest for the "ship".

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                      • #12
                        Re: Don't blame Danny...

                        Originally posted by cdash View Post
                        I really, really don't think so.
                        After the Joe Johnson max I think its really plausible that Danny could have gotten a max with another team. I know they are different players but just looking at their stats in 08-09 Danny had more points and a better 3pnt percentage. In his career he is as good as Joe Johnson when it comes to shooting. I am not saying they deserve a max but that other teams are stupid enough to offer it.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Don't blame Danny...

                          I agree totally mellifluous.

                          It's still a very strange phenomenon to me how people's opinions seem to change from game to game. I don't know if it's just this forum or if it's the same from other team's fans as well, but when we win we're world-beaters and when we lose we need to take apart the whole team.

                          I think Danny's really stepped-up his game this year. He's still scoring the ball (and at a better percentage than last year mind you), but his defense is also much improved.

                          Look, I certainly don't want to make this into a fire-the-coach thread. For me though, much of the problem lies with Obie. It's not ALL him, but I think most of the players would look better in a more traditional offense. I think Collison would certainly be better with someone else coaching. When he's able to play his game, it really opens up the offense for everyone else.

                          I'm personally quite happy with how Danny's performed this year. I think we just need a different playing-style/system and another guy to help out Danny. Hibbert's coming along nicely, we just need one other consistent scorer.

                          Free agency next year, or trade deadline this year...

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                            Re: Don't blame Danny...

                            Originally posted by Dece View Post
                            There isn't a team in the NBA who'd sign Granger to the max.
                            I am sorry but I dont know how on God's green earth you can make that assessment
                            Sittin on top of the world!

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                              Re: Don't blame Danny...

                              Yeah with organizations like the Clippers and T Wolves you can't say nobody would sign him to the max, you can say that a winning organization would not sign Danny to the max...because he is not a max player.
                              *removed* Just keep politics and religion completely out of it, please.

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