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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

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A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

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  • #16
    Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

    JOB is saying he has a set three-man wing rotation with Rush out of it? That means Rush will be in the starting lineup within a week of his return.

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    • #17
      Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

      Mike is like James Posey. He doesn't play because he produces, he plays because he does what Jim wants him to do. Doesn't matter if the shots don't go in, doesn't matter if his man gets passed him. As long as he's on the right spots at the right time, he'll play. Only way that changes is if Rush can hit the same marks as Mike while also producing more. If he's producing, but doing so with his talent making up for his mental mistakes with regards to the game plan, it won't matter.

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      • #18
        Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

        Originally posted by MTM View Post
        JOB is saying he has a set three-man wing rotation with Rush out of it? That means Rush will be in the starting lineup within a week of his return.

        JOB isn't giving anything to Rush. He is going to have to earn it. Dunleavy will be starting for the forseeable future. Rush is going to have prove he is ready to play on the court. George is looking good and looked best on Saturday night. Goerge is getting more comfortable palying with this team and in the NBA. Rush is going to have to step it up if he wants to get minutes.

        I hope the best for rush and hope he does come back and get playing time and maybe, just maybe, we will be able to deal Dunleavy for something at the deadline.

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        • #19
          Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

          I just think Dunleavy is playing really good supplemental basketball so far this year. He's not demanding the ball, he's allowing other players to do what they do, since he's kind of a constant. Mikes is going to be where he should and doing what he's supposed to do in the grand scheme. This allows other players to be effective in doing the more prominent stuff, like Roy scoring in the post, Danny driving to the basket.

          I guess I'm saying is he doesn't set the world on fire, but he doesn't make mistakes either. While not sexy, it does help the greater good. A good example of this is his increased rebounding. With this group, it's kinda nice to have a constant in there.

          Before it was a detriment because you lacked talent for a solid guy to be effective, you needed more from him, now with that first unit, it's nice to have that constant.

          To break it down a step further, with Mike, you WILL get good post feeds, solid ball handling, good decision making, he'll be where he's supposed to be. Will you get that with Brandon? If you get some of it, but not all of it, is it offset by the stuff Brandon does better than Mike?

          I mean I don't know, I'm just saying you don't need Mike to hit home runs, just singles. With Brandon you get some more home runs, but many more strike outs too.

          Ideally you'd like Brandon to not hurt you, since I think he's the physically more gifted player, I just don't think we've seen it from him very often for very long.

          Put it this way, Mike doesn't have to just stand in the corner waiting for the ball on offense, he can do other stuff.

          I think Mike makes the other 4 guys better than Rush does.

          Maybe Brandon's understanding has and application of skills has improved, if so, I'm all for it. If not, I'm good with Mike, so far.

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          • #20
            Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

            Originally posted by cdash View Post
            Yeah, I think you are

            If it's a nagging, non-serious injury then I think teams would rather know that he can play (effectively) through it. TJ has played pretty well so far, exactly what you want out of a backup point guard. I see no reason to make a change until he stops being effective or his injury gets to the point where he can't play.

            As for the article...nothing groundbreaking. I like Paul George's game, and think he has real potential. I hope he doesn't lose all his minutes when our resident potsmoker returns from his suspension.
            Nope, I'm saying this after Uconn's origianal starting PG last season didn't play for a month, because Geno Auriemma came out and said "if you don't let hamstring injuries heal for good, they'll become a serious issue throughout the year." And I feel like I've seen enough of both coaches to know which coach makes better decisions. :P

            Maybe pros view the body differently and play "through it" but once again..it's short sighted. If he spends the first part of the season not being able to play once every two weeks, he's not going to look as good trade wise. And if the hamstring gets worse he's not going to look as good trade wise. And the issue could have probably been completely healed if he was sat for an extra two/three weeks.

            As for George..I expect him to be out of the rotation. (We'll probably start seeing some TJ at the two as well, too make sure that Rush's minutes are still limited. ) Which will be a shame. He's gonna be quite good. And if played and taught correctly, he could be "quite good" by the end of the year.
            Last edited by Sookie; 11-02-2010, 12:11 PM.

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            • #21
              Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

              An 8 man rotation playing at the pace this team plays at is not feasible over the long haul of an NBA season. He's going to need to throw some other guys into the mix, especially in back-to-back and 3 in 4 type situations.

              I've said it before, but I really think the way to get our best players on the floor is to have Danny play a few minutes at PF, go small and work Rush into the wing rotation.

              Also, I like Dunleavy, but he's at his best when he's in constant motion offensively, and I don't think he can do that for 30+ mpg. I'd like to see him at 20 minutes and give Rush 10 mpg when he comes back.
              "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

              - Salman Rushdie

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              • #22
                Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

                You don't continually play through hamstring injuries, that's how they get TORN. Also, if you know you're backup PG is fighting an injury and could go down at any minute, and that's not hyperbole, wouldn't it be a good idea to have a 3rd PG atleast dressed?

                I'm not going to argue whether or not TJ should just be sat down, but you should atleast have a backup plan, especially if Foster isn't going to get any PT.
                Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right. ― Ricky Gervais.

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                • #23
                  Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

                  [QUOTE=mellifluous;1088339]

                  An 8 man rotation playing at the pace this team plays at is not feasible over the long haul of an NBA season. He's going to need to throw some other guys into the mix, especially in back-to-back and 3 in 4 type situations. /QUOTE]


                  I "totally agree' and have felt this way since Jimmy started coaching. I said last week an 8 man rotation was too exhausting on the players. Someone else disagreed which is fine, but I still feel a 9-10 man rotation is best.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

                    Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                    You don't continually play through hamstring injuries, that's how they get TORN. Also, if you know you're backup PG is fighting an injury and could go down at any minute, and that's not hyperbole, wouldn't it be a good idea to have a 3rd PG atleast dressed?

                    I'm not going to argue whether or not TJ should just be sat down, but you should atleast have a backup plan, especially if Foster isn't going to get any PT.


                    I can't disagree, but if Ford was hurt while Price wasn't dressed Dunleavy will be the b/u PG. I'm not looking forward to seeing Dunleavy playing PG anymore than I was Quis.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

                      Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                      I can't disagree, but if Ford was hurt while Price wasn't dressed Dunleavy will be the b/u PG. I'm not looking forward to seeing Dunleavy playing PG anymore than I was Quis.
                      To be fair Foster did play some
                      Point guard in kindergarten
                      @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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                      • #26
                        Re: Pacers' Paul George settling in (Indystar)

                        I would like to see Paul eventually start and Brandon will back him up if Brandon is still very inconsistent his shooting.

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