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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Bass Trade Prospects: Pacers mentioned(ESPN Insider)

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    It's been widely reported that Brandon Bass has been looking for more playing time.

    And his reasonable contract coupled with his skill for the limited playing time he receives has made him a rumored trade chip.

    Add in some good play this preseason to his name, and Brian Schmitz of the Orlando Sentinel is wondering if the time is ripe for the Magic to trade Bass.

    "The way he's played lately, he might get his wish -- and my guess is the Magic are only waiting for the right deal to come along," he wrote. "Bass is showcasing his talents for other teams, such as the Indiana Pacers, who need power-forward help. Trouble is, the Pacers want to give up Dahntay Jones or Solomon Jones. I can't imagine the Magic being interested, unless the Pacers give up a first-round pick."

    Of course, it's also possible the Magic could wait until the trade deadline if they decide it's in their best interest to move Bass. Patience could see other teams emerging with a need for a PF due to injuries and the like, and the Magic could get something better in return depending on the team.

    ESPN's John Hollinger

    Bass one of the best trade pieces in the league

    "Bass played reasonably well when he got chances, but I've been told that he fell out of favor because he couldn't remember the plays. Really? If that's true, it makes it all the more amazing that he shot 51.1 percent and scored 17.9 points per 40 minutes last season. Bass finished 2009-10 with a PER (16.54) well above the league average, but Orlando's frontcourt was so deep that he hardly played. This, and his reasonable contract, make him one of the more tantalizing pieces of trade bait in the league. The Magic may choose to keep him around for insurance, but if he ever gets to a situation where he can play 30 minutes a night, he'll put up some numbers."

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    Re: Bass Trade Prospects: Pacers mentioned(ESPN Insider)

    Thanks for the info, but nothing new to discuss as it has already been pretty well covered the last week in another thread.


    • #3
      Re: Bass Trade Prospects: Pacers mentioned(ESPN Insider)

      Another kid with a ton of talent who can't remember plays.

      Eventually they will learn... right??


      • #4
        Re: Bass Trade Prospects: Pacers mentioned(ESPN Insider)

        I would think that Orlando would try to change philosophies and actually try to start Bass so they have two rebounders.

        Then use Rashard at the three, Vince at the two, and Jameer at the one.

        They may not be better like that during the regular season, but in the playoffs they'd be alot better off without Barnes averaging four points (yes I know he's gone, but he's essentially the same player as QRich), Carter averaging five points, Rashard averaging 5 points and so on..

        I still don't understand why they could possibly let Hedo go. They could have traded for VC and resigned Hedo instead of resigning Gortat and signing Barnes.

        Then they'd have this lineup:

        Dwight Howard

        Of course I'd rather have Bass in at power forward and move whoever to the 6th man role, probably Carter to do a Jamal Crawford thing, but that wouldn't happen.

        Or I'm crazy enough to trade Jameer and VC to Washington for Gilbert and a first or something. You get an insanely good offensive point with Gil, plus the likes of Kyrie Irving or Harrison Barnes if you strike gold. (The reason Washington does it is because they can finally rebuild) Then you have depending if you want to go small or not:


        Otis ****ed up a good team if you ask me.


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          Re: Bass Trade Prospects: Pacers mentioned(ESPN Insider)

          Otis ****ed up a good team if you ask me.

          Yep , but he gets a pass for getting out of Hedo's contract
          Sittin on top of the world!


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            Re: Bass Trade Prospects: Pacers mentioned(ESPN Insider)

            Yeah, he didn't get playing time because he couldn't learn the team's defensive principles and was often out of position. He was also rebounding the ball very poorly. SVG had good reasons to not play him much.

            He's a good role-player though. Much better than his last season would suggest.

            I'd also like to see Orlando trying a more grindout, traditional, style, with Rashard at the 3. See how it works out. I think they're deep enough at the wing with Carter+Pietrus+Richardson+Redick to play Lewis at the 4 if they wish so, but I'd like to see how a big frontcourt with Howard+Gortat/Anderson/Bass+Lewis produces after gelling for awhile. They were terrific defensively and on the boards when Howard+Gortat played together last season.

            So far, so good (btw, I read somewhere Orlando has won 19 consecutive pre-season games or so... that's an amazing stat).

            Hedo was asking for a very large contract. Plus GMs have budgetary restraints to deal with, Otis Smith needed to opt one way or the other, I don't think there's a way he could have kept both Carter and Hedo in the payroll.


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              Re: Bass Trade Prospects: Pacers mentioned(ESPN Insider)

              Followed by him signing Gortat, Bass (which is a good pickup in my book, but still), Barnes, Duhon, and overpaying for JJ Reddick.

              Seriously, why couldn't he draft Lance Stephenson at 29 to be the backup point to save $20 mil, or draft Jerome Jordan or Hassan Whiteside to backup the center spot to save $20-$25 million. Then keep Hedo and trade Vince Carter and Jameer Nelson for a good point guard like Baron Davis or Gilbert Arenas (realistically). Possibly even Chris Paul.

              Otis used the "we need more players here and now" thing last year and it backfired as he has no room for moves and he's way way way over the tax.


              • #8
                Re: Bass Trade Prospects: Pacers mentioned(ESPN Insider)

                Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
                Seriously, why couldn't he draft Lance Stephenson at 29 to be the backup point
                He is smart enough to know that Lance isn't a PG. That's probably why.


                • #9
                  Re: Bass Trade Prospects: Pacers mentioned(ESPN Insider)

                  He could have never signed Gortat, Bass, and Barnes to make room for Hedo.

                  Especially ever since he resigned JJ Reddick for a ridiculous amount. I guess he had to, but it wouldn't be such a big deal if he would have just kept Hedo.

                  And while Vince has been good for the regular season, he has been almost a disaster during the playoffs all three rounds.


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                    Re: Bass Trade Prospects: Pacers mentioned(ESPN Insider)

                    Originally posted by xBulletproof View Post
                    He is smart enough to know that Lance isn't a PG. That's probably why.
                    Is he smart enough to pay for a sad point guard, Duhon, who will make $20 million thanks to him?

                    Okay then how about Armon Johnson, Andy Rautins (who would work out very well for them with all things considered), or just sign someone like Earl Watson.

                    I know I'm forgetting another point guard in the second round... Ah yes Terrico White who actually has gotten injured.. but still he could work if Lance isn't good enough for you.


                    • #11
                      Re: Bass Trade Prospects: Pacers mentioned(ESPN Insider)

                      Originally posted by BringJackBack View Post
                      He could have never signed Gortat, Bass, and Barnes to make room for Hedo.
                      That would left him with too many holes in the frontcourt. Howard+Lewis+Ryan Anderson? That's too thin and lacks beef. How could he get over Boston and LA with that?

                      Plus, Carter declined quite a bit as a pick'n'roll ball-handler last season. That was unexpected and made Hedo's absence more difficult to overcome. On the other hand, I'm not sure that a Nelson+Carter+Hedo backcourt would function too well. I dont' think there'd be enough ball to maximize their potential + I think the defense would be suspect (not that it was any better with Barnes, but it should improve with Q Richardson).

                      Anyway, Gortat is under a club-friendly contract and Bass' contract isn't that bad either. I bet they could flip them into Hedo if Otis wished so.


                      • #12
                        Re: Bass Trade Prospects: Pacers mentioned(ESPN Insider)

                        You've got me there. But still, they could have gotten Joe Smith, Shelden Williams, or any other big man that wouldn't cost close to as much Gortat is and Gortat is extremely overrated.

                        I do think that it would be best to do this lineup:

                        6th man Carter

                        Or do my suggested trade for quick relief (which could easily backfire of course. Get Gil, Paul, or Bdiddy for VC, Jameer, 1st round pick and Daniel Orton for

                        PG X

                        Again not likely, but still


                        • #13
                          Re: Bass Trade Prospects: Pacers mentioned(ESPN Insider)

                          Brandon Rush would be a great fit on the Magic. I'd offer Rush and Solomon Jones in a heartbeat for Bass. Of course, Dahntay would be a great addition too. It seems to me like the Magic would be interested in either considering their options at shooting guard are somewhat limited.


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                            Re: Bass Trade Prospects: Pacers mentioned(ESPN Insider)

                            Originally posted by ryheathco View Post
                            Brandon Rush would be a great fit on the Magic. I'd offer Rush and Solomon Jones in a heartbeat for Bass. Of course, Dahntay would be a great addition too. It seems to me like the Magic would be interested in either considering their options at shooting guard are somewhat limited.
                            Vince Carter, JJ Redick, Quentin Richardson, Mikael Pietrus.

                            I wouldn't say limited exactly. I think they could use another defensive wing with the loss of Matt Barnes and the fact that they like to use Rashard Lewis at the PF spot, but if you put Bass at PF, and move Lewis to SF they have solid depth at wing.

                            They really like Ryan Anderson at PF for his shooting/stretching the floor ability as well.

                            I still think Bass would be a nice addition. Not sure where he would fit in minutes wise with McRoberts and Hansbrough, but that's a problem I'm willing to take on


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                              Re: Bass Trade Prospects: Pacers mentioned(ESPN Insider)

                              Bass has been playing huge tonight against the Hawks...