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  • Coaches on the hot seat

    The dawn of a new season is upon us and that brings lofty expectations from team officials and fans after the annual draft, free agency whirlwind and offseason trades have revamped rosters and hopes.

    Making the list of head coaches under the magnifying glass for the upcoming season is the all-time winningest coach in league history, a young coach with three studs in their prime and a couple of rookie sideline generals faced with towering challenges.

    Tightening of the Collars

    The following coaches will undoubtedly feel immense pressure if they get off to a rocky start, encounter any sustained losing streaks or fail to turn their respective teams' fortunes around quickly.

    Erik Spoelstra, MIAMI HEAT

    Name a head coach that has won big consistently without elite talent? Dominant players have routinely throughout the course of history catapulted coaches and their philosophies from the background to the forefront.

    After compiling a 90-74 record and leading Miami to the playoffs in his first two seasons, mainly on the shoulders of Dwyane Wade, the 39 year old Spoelstra has been given even more firepower with the addition of two-time reigning MVP LeBron James and five-time All-Star Chris Bosh.

    The influx of superstar talent will serve as a gift and a curse.

    On the bright side almost every NBA franchise would love to have one of the James, Wade and Bosh trio headlining their lineup, but the addition of arguably three of the top 10 players in the game today has already raised the stakes to sky-high levels with season tickets sold out within hours of James' decision.

    Current ABC/ESPN analyst Jeff Van Gundy and Bulls vice president of basketball operations John Paxson believe the new look HEAT have the talent to challenge the 1995-96 Chicago Bulls 72 win season and the Los Angeles Lakers' 33 game winning streak set in 1972.

    From the moment James announced his decision to head down I-95 south, the rumors started flowing around HEAT team president Pat Riley, winner of five NBA titles as a head coach, eventually stepping down from the office to replace Spoelstra.

    Riley has constantly denied his desire of returning to the bench, but if Miami gets off to a rocky start with the raised goals already in place, Spoelstra could be an early scapegoat.

    Mike D'Antoni, New York Knicks

    Knicks fans patiently waited for the "summer of LeBron" that supposedly would lead the king to the Big Apple in his quest for global stardom. That didn't happen and instead the organization added the talented Amar'e Stoudemire and steady point guard Raymond Felton via free agency to run D'Antoni's frenetic paced offense.

    While those additions are solid building blocks toward future success, they in no way guarantee a return to the playoffs where New York hasn't appeared since 2004.

    D'Antoni, who has amassed a 61-103 record in his first two seasons with the club, was hired by Knicks team president Donnie Walsh and both men are under contract through 2012.

    However, with reports circulating that the 69 year old Walsh may retire due to health concerns, D'Antoni may be on shaky ground if that scenario plays out and Walsh's replacement wants to roll with one of their guys.

    It's also important to note that D'Antoni's former club, the Phoenix Suns, have won 100 games since his departure two seasons ago and made a Western Conference Finals trip this past campaign showing no ill impacts after his departure.

    If the Knicks aren't on a playoff trajectory by the All-Star break with a near $100 million deal handed to Stoudemire, who already has familiarity with D'Antoni's system, the coach's job security will likely deteriorate rapidly.

    Jim O'Brien, Indiana Pacers

    The Pacers have gone 104-142 in O'Brien's tenure with the franchise. Admittedly the team has been devoid of elite level talent, with the exception being forward Danny Granger, as the club has been bogged down by hard to move bloated contracts the past few years.

    Expectations for the Pacers this upcoming season were relatively low before last week's trade that brought in 2010 rookie surprise Darren Collison in exchange for Troy Murphy's expiring contract.

    Now, as HOOPSWORLD's Yannis Koutroupis wrote, the Pacers are suddenly expected to make a strong playoff push with Collison presumably supplanting T.J. Ford as the team's starting point guard.

    With fans anticipation building at receiving a player with Collison's potential even more pressure is on O'Brien to come out of the gate strong. Problem is the Pacers play ten playoff teams from last season in the first sixteen games (San Antonio, Charlotte, Milwaukee, Denver, Houston, Atlanta, Orlando, Miami, Oklahoma City and Los Angeles Lakers). Compounding the bad news is Collison recently fracturing his finger. Although he's expected to be ready by training camp you can never assume that the injury won't turn into a nagging ailment throughout the year.


    Don Nelson, Golden State Warriors

    Nelson became the all-time winningest coach in NBA history last season, but has generated only 54 victories over the past two seasons. The Warriors will be operating under new ownership and that group will eventually want to place their imprint on the organization. The three-time NBA coach of the year is in the final year of his contract and at 70 years old isn't the likely candidate to lead the charge in Golden State's rebuilding efforts.

    Add into the mix, the numerous run-ins Nelson has had with players over the past few seasons (Al Harrington / Stephen Jackson) and you'd be hard pressed to find many that believe the coaching legend will be on the Warriors' bench for the 2012 season.

    Jay Triano, Toronto Raptors

    Triano went 40-42 in his first full season with Toronto (he's 65-82 overall) and had to deal with a plethora of issues such as managing team chemistry and inexperience in 2010.

    Last summer, Raptors president and general manager Bryan Colangelo made a slew of moves to compliment Bosh by acquiring Hedo Turkoglu, Jarrett Jack Amir Johnson, Antoine Wright and Sonny Weems which didn't go as planned. Turkoglu would eventually demand (and secure) a trade, while Bosh headed for greener pastures by departing in free agency.

    This summer, Colangelo signed Johnson to a much criticized $30+ million free agent deal that will have Triano under pressure to play the young forward big minutes and justify the lucrative contract. The Raptors also added former Nuggets forward Linas Kleiza.

    Fans in Toronto still expect to compete even with the loss of Bosh and there has been rising skepticism over the fact the club has had to break in a new roster yearly.

    If Colangelo starts to feel the pressure during a early season slow start he could go the Joe Dumars (Pistons president of basketball operations / six coaches in 10 years) route and replace his coach early to deflect blame.

    First Year, First Impressions Count

    The following coaches through no fault of their own must come out of the gate quickly and clearly establish their scheme and philosophies.

    Monty Williams, New Orleans Hornets

    Williams will enter his rookie season having to deal with the potential circus surrounding All-Star guard Chris Paul's happiness in New Orleans. After a meeting with the club's front office and Williams last month, Paul emerged and said he was "happy" with the direction the franchise was going. Even with that temporary endorsement, Paul's focus is on winning and that's something the Hornets aren't expected to do a lot of even with the recent addition of forward Trevor Ariza in the Collison deal.

    Paul is coming off of an injury plagued campaign and his backup (Collison) that filled in admirably in his absence is now running the show in Indy. Any significant time missed by Paul if he's not fully healthy without Collison will immediately put the team at a big disadvantage. The Hornets currently do not have a legitimate backup point guard on the roster.

    Keep an eye on these stresses placed Williams, a rookie coach, to overcome.

    Byron Scott, Cleveland Cavaliers

    It's basically unfair to place Scott on this list after losing a player the caliber of James, but Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert has stuck to his comments that Cleveland will win a championship before Miami.

    While Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison are steady complimentary players that have achieved All-Star status in the past, their game as frontrunners would barely push the Cavaliers to contention for an eighth seed let alone a title.

    With lofty expectations coming from the top, Scott may be feeling the heat early.

    Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?...#ixzz0x6CsVGCA



    Problem is the Pacers play ten playoff teams from last season in the first sixteen games (San Antonio, Charlotte, Milwaukee, Denver, Houston, Atlanta, Orlando, Miami, Oklahoma City and Los Angeles Lakers)

    dzam! brutual opening schedule
    Sittin on top of the world!

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    Re: Coaches on the hot seat

    I don't agree with most of this article. Erik Spoelstra isn't on the hot seat, the heat are going to get off to a good start and even if they don't I don't see Rilley coming back to coach. Mike D'Antoni finally has player to caoch at New York they will give him time to get his system to work. Monty Williams is a first year coach he wll get at least another year before they axe him. Byron Scott, this is the worst one, the Cav's are going to suck and they only thing they have going for them is Byron Scott.

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      Re: Coaches on the hot seat

      And there's the excuse:
      Problem is the Pacers play ten playoff teams from last season in the first sixteen games (San Antonio, Charlotte, Milwaukee, Denver, Houston, Atlanta, Orlando, Miami, Oklahoma City and Los Angeles Lakers).
      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

      -John Wooden

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      • #4
        Re: Coaches on the hot seat

        Originally posted by Bball View Post
        And there's the excuse:
        What, with a different coach you'd expect to have a winning record against those teams? Give me a break. Even as an 8th seed which of these teams would we be expected to beat without fail? Charlotte and who else?
        BillS

        A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
        Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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          Re: Coaches on the hot seat

          Problem is the Pacers play ten playoff teams from last season in the first sixteen games (San Antonio, Charlotte, Milwaukee, Denver, Houston, Atlanta, Orlando, Miami, Oklahoma City and Los Angeles Lakers).

          6 of the 10 listed are at home (in bold), so I'd guess you'd have a chance in those. Charlotte on the road isn't unbeatable. So let's say you can win 4 of those 7, using the 6 home games above in bold and at Charlotte (4 wins).

          I think if you look at the rest of that span 9-7 is possible.

          Thats thinking you beat Cleveland twice, home and away (2). Sacramento (1), split with Phillie (1), and the Clippers at home (1). I don't think that's unreasonable. Certainly 8-8 is possible.

          I'd say if you go 5-11 during that span and look bad doing it, there's no excuses and the coach watch would be on.

          It's like others have said though, Bird won't hire an outside coach and add money to the PS&E budget, going into a lockout. I wouldn't either. He'd likely want to hire an assistant and name them interim. Unfortunately, there's not an asst. coach qualified for this, I wouldn't think. It'll be interesting how they handle it.

          Lots of time for that, I'm sure an Obie thread or two might pop up during the season.

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            Re: Coaches on the hot seat

            Originally posted by Bball View Post
            And there's the excuse:
            That sounds like a five game winning streak to me!
            "Your course, your path, is not going to be like mine," West says. "Everybody is not called to be a multimillionaire. Everybody's not called to be the president. Whatever your best work is, you do it. Do it well. Ö You cease your own greatness when you aspire to be someone else."

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            • #7
              Re: Coaches on the hot seat

              Originally posted by Bball View Post
              And there's the excuse:
              I don't even know why we play schedule loses. Seems like a waste of effort to me.
              Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!

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              • #8
                Re: Coaches on the hot seat

                We look to be a playoff team now so JOB's seat is burning to coach this team right.

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                • #9
                  Re: Coaches on the hot seat

                  I just don't see Bird replacing O'Brien this season. I think if we don't look better this season and at least get the #8 seed that Bird and JOB leave together.
                  Passion. Pride. Patience. Pacers

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                    Re: Coaches on the hot seat

                    I hate JOB just as much as everyone else. But even if we had a elite coach we wouldnt make the playoffs the past few years.

                    We were simply that talentless. We had players making huge money that are not winners or productive. We were also paying people against our cap to sit at home and watch the games.

                    After this season is when the pacers will really look at the head coach. Bird can go out and get his type of players and will likely find a coach that he thinks can coach his style of basketball.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Coaches on the hot seat

                      Originally posted by BillS View Post
                      What, with a different coach you'd expect to have a winning record against those teams? Give me a break. Even as an 8th seed which of these teams would we be expected to beat without fail? Charlotte and who else?
                      If O'Brien doesn't adjust this season and instead AGAIN plays his craptastic brand of basketball and we lose just as much because we didn't value the ball, took quick shots that led to transition baskets for the other team, get out-coached as we try to play small-ball... yada yada yada... rather than just by the strength of the other team... Then saying we got beat by better teams might be true, but it would also be a cop-out because we went up against them with a bad brand of basketball anyway. ...And accomplished nothing in growth for when we play the teams we could/should beat.

                      Besides that... Everyone is 0-0 right now so planning schedule losses is a little soon anyway. If we're a legitimate playoff team we should be able to steal a few games against the big dogs.
                      Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                      "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

                      -John Wooden

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                      • #12
                        Re: Coaches on the hot seat

                        Originally posted by USF View Post

                        I just don't see Bird replacing O'Brien this season. I think if we don't look better this season and at least get the #8 seed that Bird and JOB leave together.

                        Personally, I don't expect to see either one here next season, especially with a lockout coming. It will be time for others to take the Pacers to the next level.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Coaches on the hot seat

                          Originally posted by Speed View Post
                          Problem is the Pacers play ten playoff teams from last season in the first sixteen games (San Antonio, Charlotte, Milwaukee, Denver, Houston, Atlanta, Orlando, Miami, Oklahoma City and Los Angeles Lakers).

                          6 of the 10 listed are at home (in bold), so I'd guess you'd have a chance in those. Charlotte on the road isn't unbeatable. So let's say you can win 4 of those 7, using the 6 home games above in bold and at Charlotte (4 wins).

                          I think if you look at the rest of that span 9-7 is possible.

                          Thats thinking you beat Cleveland twice, home and away (2). Sacramento (1), split with Phillie (1), and the Clippers at home (1). I don't think that's unreasonable. Certainly 8-8 is possible.

                          I'd say if you go 5-11 during that span and look bad doing it, there's no excuses and the coach watch would be on.

                          It's like others have said though, Bird won't hire an outside coach and add money to the PS&E budget, going into a lockout. I wouldn't either. He'd likely want to hire an assistant and name them interim. Unfortunately, there's not an asst. coach qualified for this, I wouldn't think. It'll be interesting how they handle it.

                          Lots of time for that, I'm sure an Obie thread or two might pop up during the season.

                          I've been surprised the Pacers haven't hired an ast coach this season that could be an interim coach if necessary. Makes me feel no matter how bad the season is Jimmy is there to the end.

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