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  • Suggestions for Pacers' Fan Jam

    Currently, I'm an intern for the Indiana Pacers. I've been asked to explore ways to improve or generate excitement for this year's Pacers' Fan Jam that is held annually in October as a way for the fans to come in and just have a good time and get to know some of the players. I've never been to the event myself, but if anyone has any suggestions or things that they would like to see done or done differently this year, I'd really like to hear your suggestions. Attendance has kind of dwindled over the years, so they are looking for ways to generate some more interest. Thanks.

    -PR07

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    Re: Suggestions for Pacers' Fan Jam

    My interest dropped like a rock when they stopped having a scrimmage. The excitement for me was to see the latest Pacer roster in action, five on five, to get a feel for the new guys and any possible changes in the returning players.

    The rest is just fluff to me.

    I will say trying to have interviews at mid-court, IMO, didn't work and just killed the energy. Having Mark Boyle interview Oscar Robertson? Great idea.

    Having him do so at the Fan Jam? Bad idea. It's just not the right time/place IMO.

    Having the team/fans interact on the court with games was kind of fun to watch (not so much the Simon Says, but rather when it was something where one Pacer and one fan teamed up to try to hit shots/layups/3's or whatever; something basketball related).

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    • #3
      Re: Suggestions for Pacers' Fan Jam

      I agree with Hicks on the scrimmage.

      I do believe they should get rid of the Simon Says guy. He's been there the past two years at least and he is not that entertaining.

      Fans and the players playing knockout is actually pretty entertaining.

      Have the players watch and/or maybe coach a local celebrity scrimmage. Score keep, coach, spectate, etc.

      I think the best advice I can give you is have the players and the fans blend in together. Make the fans believe that these guys are not just over-paid babies.

      After all, I think what you should do is look at some of the other teams that hold an open house before the season starts and look at what they do. Don't necessarily steal their ideas, but see if you can improve on their ideas.

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      • #4
        Re: Suggestions for Pacers' Fan Jam
        • Bring back the scrimmage. As Hicks says, that's the best thing of all.
        • Minimized the fans' time on the court. I want to see the players.
        • Stop the singing, unless a player really can sing well and wants to do a good job of it.
        • If you want to have giveaways, let a player shoot a difficult shot in order to win a prize for a fan.
        • Let the coach introduce each player, and tell what his role is going to be.
        • Let each player make a prediction about his season's accomplishment ("I'll average 8 rebounds per game." "I'll guard Derrick Rose and hold him to single digits at least once this season." "I'll score 40 points at least once this year." Stuff like that.
        • Keep the photos and autographs for after the event. I hate that but some people like it.
        And I won't be here to see the day
        It all dries up and blows away
        I'd hang around just to see
        But they never had much use for me
        In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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        • #5
          Re: Suggestions for Pacers' Fan Jam

          What would make me come: former Pacers players.

          I'd be more likely to come if former Pacers players (such as Reggie, Rik, Mark Jackson, Mullin, Perkins, McKey -- anyone pre-2006, basically) were there doing something -- telling stories, signing autographs, etc. What would definitely get me to come is former Pacers players playing a pickup game -- either against themselves or versus current Pacers (or a combo of the two) or, even better, against old Knicks rivals from the 1990s. I don't know. I'm nostalgic, and stuff like that would interest me.

          Heck, get Larry Bird on the court to shoot HORSE or do a 3-point contest.

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          • #6
            Re: Suggestions for Pacers' Fan Jam

            Incorporate a showing of "Winning Time", or at least part of it, into the festivities.

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            • #7
              Re: Suggestions for Pacers' Fan Jam

              Appreciate the input guys, keep them coming. When I was first told of this task, my first question was, "Have they ever done a navy vs. gold game?" My supervisor said yes, and made it sound like they were really looking for something outside the box.

              I thought that maybe the Pacers could have one lucky fan (kind of like Wonka's Golden Ticket), be the Pacers '15th man' for a day and get to hang out with the team almost like he or she was one of the players {to an extent of course}.

              I also thought of maybe having a players' slam dunk contest. It would be kind of cool to see Dahntay Jones vs. McRoberts throwing down.
              Last edited by PR07; 05-26-2010, 06:33 PM.

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              • #8
                Re: Suggestions for Pacers' Fan Jam

                less fans activities on the court, more player activities on the court. i'm sorry, but i'm only there to see and meet the players, not bet on which little kid will win 'simon says'

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                • #9
                  Re: Suggestions for Pacers' Fan Jam

                  Originally posted by MSA2CF View Post
                  What would make me come: former Pacers players.

                  I'd be more likely to come if former Pacers players (such as Reggie, Rik, Mark Jackson, Mullin, Perkins, McKey -- anyone pre-2006, basically) were there doing something -- telling stories, signing autographs, etc. What would definitely get me to come is former Pacers players playing a pickup game -- either against themselves or versus current Pacers (or a combo of the two) or, even better, against old Knicks rivals from the 1990s. I don't know. I'm nostalgic, and stuff like that would interest me.

                  Heck, get Larry Bird on the court to shoot HORSE or do a 3-point contest.
                  Old School/New School! I'd love to see the Pacers legends against the current squad!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Suggestions for Pacers' Fan Jam

                    Be careful with the "fun games" too..

                    We just had an injury in a non NBA game. And I've personally seen injuries (Female basketball player pretty much out for the entire season during Midnight Madness) happen because of stupid little games. No one wants that to happen, so limit it. (Which is I'm sure part of the reason the scrimmage was removed)

                    Three point contest, maybe (Obrien would love that)

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                    • #11
                      Re: Suggestions for Pacers' Fan Jam

                      Here's my suggestions:

                      1) Bring back a few more former Pacers players and maybe have a few more WNBA players there (like maybe 3-4 Fever players)

                      2) Make the autograph session longer. I would like it to be changed to at least an hour and a half or if possible and at the latest, 2 hours long. The point is for everybody to meet each player on the team, but it just isn't possible for most people to be able to get around to each player's table with the long lines and all the walking from place to place.

                      3) This goes with suggestion #2...maybe have the team line up altogether in the practice gym at a big long line of tables during the autograph sessions...I believe that it would be a lot easier that way, both for the fans and the players. Or if not on the practice court, maybe on the concourse of the balcony level or something like that. I think it would just be a whole lot easier if all the players would be altogether at the autograph session, and just have 1 huge line for everybody to stand in to get the players' autographs. Just an idea though, and I don't know how many other people would be in favor of this other than me, but I think it would work.

                      4) Maybe let the rookies on the team know ahead of time they'll be doing a rookie orientation activity during the Fan Jam for the fans, and give them some time to figure out what song they want to perform and such. Last year's Fan Jam was just pretty sad, especially with Hansbrough lmao.

                      I'll add anything else later on if I can think of anything. Thanks for letting the fans have some input!!

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                      • #12
                        Re: Suggestions for Pacers' Fan Jam

                        Originally posted by PR07 View Post
                        Appreciate the input guys, keep them coming. When I was first told of this task, my first question was, "Have they ever done a navy vs. gold game?" My supervisor said yes, and made it sound like they were really looking for something outside the box.

                        I thought that maybe the Pacers could have one lucky fan (kind of like Wonka's Golden Ticket), be the Pacers '15th man' for a day and get to hang out with the team almost like he or she was one of the players {to an extent of course}.

                        I also thought of maybe having a players' slam dunk contest. It would be kind of cool to see Dahntay Jones vs. McRoberts throwing down.
                        YES!!!!! I'd really like a dunk contest. McBob vs. Dahntay would be awesome!!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Suggestions for Pacers' Fan Jam

                          I like the idea of bringing in old players, as well. Have a 3 point contest, with the winner facing Bird or Reggie in the Finals. I would definitely be interested in seeing that.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Suggestions for Pacers' Fan Jam

                            Bring the scrimmage back DEFINITELY. I like the idea of the golden ticket, maybe a pair of season tickets to the winner, or something for the STH's like maybe free concessions for the season. Fan Jam should be about the fans getting to meet their favorite players and introducing them to the new players so the autograph session should make it likely to get to meet them. Setting up tables in the practice gym would be a good idea along with around the fieldhouse as usual. Open up the locker rooms for the fans to tour. I used to take my family every year but stopped after the 2008 jam because the excitement was LONG gone mostly due to the scrimmage being cancelled.

                            Indyhoosier

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                            • #15
                              Re: Suggestions for Pacers' Fan Jam

                              As an outsider who is unfamiliar with Fan Jam, I have no idea what the event has typically entailed and sought to achieve in the past. So I apologize if this idea is either rehashed or horribly misguided based upon Fan Jam's history and/or overall philosophy.

                              With that caveat out of the way, has Fan Jam ever tried to emulate a "real" practice? It seems to me that a large majority of the Indiana fanbase would appreciate an experience that allowed each individual the opportunity to witness an "authentic" NBA practice and/or day at training camp. Personally, I think a shift away from the "gimmicky" stuff might work best. I think fans might enjoy watching and dissecting the coach's drills while hearing him yell at, and praise the players who are out there working. Also, recognizing the fact that this is likely geared towards families, I think a lot of parents would relish the opportunity to have their children watch Danny Granger and Tyler Hansbrough out there working on the fundamentals and perfecting their skills (i.e. the same sorts of practice routines these children are likely exposed to).

                              I'm not saying to scrap all of the "fun" stuff entirely. Surely there can be some time at the end dedicated to those sorts of things. But I think having the opportunity to watch a "legitimate" NBA practice would be seen as the most entertaining (and educational) component of all.
                              Last edited by sweabs; 05-26-2010, 09:29 PM.

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