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    Most of the success the Pacers have had in the past has been from trading for a young player that was not getting playing time, but was ready to play in the NBA. What point guards in the NBA might fill that bill? What would it take to get them?

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    I like Raymond Felton. He is a restricted free agent we could get him in a sign and trade. Maybe Felton for Ford & maybe a 2nd round draft pick.

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    • #3
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      My answer is the same one I always give... Ramon Sessions of the Timberwolves. What would it take to get him? Probably not much.

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      • #4
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        Steve Blake could be that guy, good defender good floor general, can shoot the three and he is a free agent, he is been I think one of the most underrated PG's in the NBA
        @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!

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        • #5
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          Young player, not getting much playing time?

          Ricky Rubio
          Ty Lawson
          Jeff Teague
          Eric Maynor
          Dj Augustin
          Jordan Farmar
          Goran Dragic
          Darren Collison (played when Paul was injured though)

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          • #6
            Re: Point Guard

            Felton will be unrestricted.

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            • #7
              Re: Point Guard

              Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
              Young player, not getting much playing time?

              Ricky Rubio
              Ty Lawson
              Jeff Teague
              Eric Maynor
              Dj Augustin
              Jordan Farmar
              Goran Dragic
              Darren Collison (played when Paul was injured though)

              Great list I might add Sessions in there too. He looked great when he was on the Bucks.
              Top Tier, guys with great potential:
              1. Goran Dragic- The Suns have found the next Steve Nash. It would be hard to get him I think.
              2. Darren Collison- Played great when CP3 was hurt. The Hornet will get a lot of offers for him this off season. What would we give for him? Would a draft pick be enough?
              3. Ty Lawson- Great potential, bad miss on last years draft. Denver likes him, and what do they need that we have?
              4. Ricky Rubio-Hasn't even played yet and we would have to give up Hibbert or Granger to get him. No thanks, he won't even be here until 2011 anyway.
              Next level:
              5. Sessions-Great job with the Bucks. He could do good here and could be got.
              6. Maynor-Jury is still out on him. He hasn't played much. Is he better than AJ maybe, but maybe not.
              7. Augustin-I think AJ would start over him.
              8.Farmer- No thanks.

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              • #8
                Re: Point Guard

                Raymond Felton
                Darren Collison
                Ramon Sessions
                Mike Conley
                George Hill

                All guys that I think we have at least a somewhat realistic shot of being able to acquire, and would all TREMENDOUSLY help this team.

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                • #9
                  Re: Point Guard

                  I meant to mention George Hill also. How much would the spurs want for him? He looks promising.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Point Guard

                    Originally posted by vnzla81 View Post
                    Steve Blake could be that guy, good defender good floor general, can shoot the three and he is a free agent, he is been I think one of the most underrated PG's in the NBA
                    He's someone I wanted us to bring in for a while now. I honestly think he can help guide us to the playoffs. He helped Portland last year and we have some good shooters and scorers he can pass the ball to.

                    He's a very good shooter and defender like you said and he's a veteran who can help out AJ.

                    I'd like to sign him for 2 years/6M and maybe an option for the 3rd year.

                    We just need to be smart and draft a good PF and move Troy or some of our expiring contracts and I think this will be one good team.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Point Guard

                      Originally posted by SMosley21 View Post
                      Raymond Felton
                      Darren Collison
                      Ramon Sessions
                      Mike Conley
                      George Hill

                      All guys that I think we have at least a somewhat realistic shot of being able to acquire, and would all TREMENDOUSLY help this team.
                      Someone else mentioned George Hill in a thread the other day. I don't see him as someone the Spurs would want to lose. Who's the next PG behind Parker if they do that, and is he better than Hill? Hill is the perfect complement to Parker, in that he's more athletic and can defend. I doubt he's a realistic target.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Point Guard

                        Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
                        Young player, not getting much playing time?

                        Ricky Rubio
                        Ty Lawson
                        Jeff Teague
                        Eric Maynor
                        Dj Augustin
                        Jordan Farmar
                        Goran Dragic
                        Darren Collison (played when Paul was injured though)
                        As done by someone else, I'd also like to comment on this awesome list.

                        Rubio-I'm hard-pressed to see Minny ever trading him unless they can package him with a bad contract.
                        Lawson-I know Denver loves him so I see him staying put unless we blow them away with a trade offer. He's a perfect 6th man though.
                        Teague-Atlanta is high on him... I expect somewhere around the All Star break next year he will become their full-time starter. Bibby's been awful for a lot of the year.
                        Maynor-I can't believe OKC got him for almost nothing! Sure, they took on Harpring's EC, but that was a fantastic trade for the Thunder to get a mid-teens pick from last year's first round. I'd love to trade a future first for him and start him. He plays great in his somewhat limited role behind Westbrook (for whom I would trade any player we currently have).
                        Augustin-He's another example of a guy that Larry Brown absolutely begged to get, then didn't use often enough. I think he's closer to a trade than Felton. He could be a good guy for us in a Jameer Nelson type of role where he doesn't need to average 8APG but should be able to hit a lot of open shots. If only we'd pound the ball inside...
                        Farmar-He'd be a better backup than anyone we have right now, but can he play consistently enough to be any kind of starter? I would take him for in a really cheap trade, but I don't think I'd trade any firsts or core pieces to get him unless he was a throw-in for a bigger deal.
                        Dragic-I agree with Pacers74 that the Suns are grooming him to replace Nash. And he's looked great in their system.
                        Collison-I'd love to get our hands on this guy. I wonder if Murph/1st for Collison/Posey would appeal to NOH?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Point Guard

                          A few other players we could consider who are close to starter caliber (as long as they're only your 4th or 5th best starter) that may be available:

                          JJ Barea-With Terry and Beaubois taking a lot of backcourt minutes in relief of/next to Kidd, he could be available. He's not a fantastic passer but can hit the three and finishes incredibly well inside. I believe he makes less than $2M next year, which makes his services particularly attractive.
                          Shaun Livingston-He had a few really good looking games with Washington to finish the year. He has obviously has a less-than-stellar career thus far (with his injury being an enormous contributing factor) but he's an excellent passer with great vision and can rebound very well too. Only bummer is that he can't hit threes so he might not get a ton of burn here. He could probably be had for around $1.5-2M per year on a shorter deal though.
                          Beno Udrih-I'm not even sure he's available, considering there has been some speculation that Tyreke might play the 2-guard for Sacramento in the near future, and Udrih has played pretty well this year. I believe he's making something around $5-6M next year, so unless we're sure he's going to be a good fit, he's probably out of our price range unless Sacramento really likes Mike Dunleavy Jr.

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                          • #14
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                            I never think of George Hill as a Point Guard.

                            As for these lists, Conley's really the only one that I'm intrugued by. I think he is better than he's played so far in the league. I really think he'll have a breakout year soon, he has the physical tools for it, imho.

                            It's not that none of these other guys don't interest me, they do, but none of them seem to be the answer or a clear, "oh ya" thats the guy player, imho. Another words I see upgrades, just not answers. Maybe I'm expecting too much.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Point Guard

                              Originally posted by Speed View Post
                              I never think of George Hill as a Point Guard.

                              As for these lists, Conley's really the only one that I'm intrugued by. I think he is better than he's played so far in the league. I really think he'll have a breakout year soon, he has the physical tools for it, imho.

                              It's not that none of these other guys don't interest me, they do, but none of them seem to be the answer or a clear, "oh ya" thats the guy player, imho. Another words I see upgrades, just not answers. Maybe I'm expecting too much.
                              The problem with some of the younger ones is this..

                              Say they go after Collison..and have to give up Rush and take on an albatross of a contract just to get him.

                              Is he so much better than Price that it completely makes up the difference of giving up Rush and taking on a huge contract? Because if 3 years from now, they are about the same level of player, we'd look really stupid.

                              Personally, I'd like to see if we could make a run at Parker.

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