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  • #76
    Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

    WHAT DOES TPTB MEAN???

    lol

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    • #77
      Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

      Originally posted by Squirrelz View Post
      WHAT DOES TPTB MEAN???

      lol
      The Powers That Be
      "They want to be famous. We want to be champions. They want to be rappers and backup dancers. We want to play football." - T.J. Ward, Denver Broncos

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      • #78
        Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

        Originally posted by Kemo View Post
        The Powers That Be
        That's what I thought at first, but it was used in a few sentences that just didn't make sense.

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        • #79
          Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

          Originally posted by sportfireman View Post
          C & D
          If thats true then **** Larry Legend. He needs to be fired this very second. JOB is part of the problem, not in any way a solution. Keeping him around only entitles him to a false sense of success and hinders the growth of our young players. The only reason Rush isn't being considered a steal at where we got him is because of coaching. Same thing can be said for all of our young guys. Who knows maybe its organizational. But every game we play with Foster and Hansbrough out, and McRoberts is riding the pine, then there obviously is a problem.

          DG at the 4 only works for minutes, not games. Murphy and Ford are probably the most under rated players on our team, simply because they play for us. I mean both of them need a coaching change, for everyone's sake. JOBs gimmick ball just exploits their weaknesses IMO and keeps our young guys from progressing. Why keep him?

          Unless we are tanking, then obviously he needs to go this summer. We should be able to find a coach with Granger and the guy we've always wanted to play next to him, a top 5 draft pick. Along with Hibbert and Rush and God willing a healthy Hansbrough. Add in Price, our 2011 draft pick, hell who wknos maybe we land a good second round pick this year as well. we are basically picking at the end of the first if we tank it.

          Oh then we go out and beat Houston tonight...fml...

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          • #80
            Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

            Originally posted by Midcoasted View Post
            If thats true then **** Larry Legend. He needs to be fired this very second. JOB is part of the problem, not in any way a solution. Keeping him around only entitles him to a false sense of success and hinders the growth of our young players. The only reason Rush isn't being considered a steal at where we got him is because of coaching. Same thing can be said for all of our young guys. Who knows maybe its organizational. But every game we play with Foster and Hansbrough out, and McRoberts is riding the pine, then there obviously is a problem.

            DG at the 4 only works for minutes, not games. Murphy and Ford are probably the most under rated players on our team, simply because they play for us. I mean both of them need a coaching change, for everyone's sake. JOBs gimmick ball just exploits their weaknesses IMO and keeps our young guys from progressing. Why keep him?

            Unless we are tanking, then obviously he needs to go this summer. We should be able to find a coach with Granger and the guy we've always wanted to play next to him, a top 5 draft pick. Along with Hibbert and Rush and God willing a healthy Hansbrough. Add in Price, our 2011 draft pick, hell who wknos maybe we land a good second round pick this year as well. we are basically picking at the end of the first if we tank it.

            Oh then we go out and beat Houston tonight...fml...
            Never say **** Larry Bird. You should be proud to have a legend like him to represent Indiana. If it weren't for him and Magic, basketball wouldn't be televised and the likes of Lebron James and Kobe Bryant would be living on buses or trailer homes if they wanted to play basketball as a career. They are the ones that kept the wheels spinning. No one would like basketball, and the glory days of high school basketball in Indiana and those Hoosiers would only be a faint memory, and no one would care just like no one around here cares who wins the rugby national championship. If it weren't for basketball, I at least wouldn't be nearly as close to my friends and my father as I am because of basketball.

            "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

            Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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            • #81
              Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

              Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
              I'm just wondering how 'passivity' and 'not a gamer' is much of a difference from lazy and uninterested.
              A guy who is a strong defender like B. Rush isn't lazy.

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              • #82
                Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post


                In any event, I doubt anyone who made it to the NBA is lazy. Genetics helps a ton, but the league is too difficult for people who are truly lazy.

                I totally disagree with this. Remember David Harrison? Their are others who have talent to make the NBA, but were just too lazy to use that talent. They didn't want to work to make it. They just want to slide along w/o putting any effort into it.

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                • #83
                  Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                  Originally posted by Thesterovic View Post
                  Never say **** Larry Bird. You should be proud to have a legend like him to represent Indiana. If it weren't for him and Magic, basketball wouldn't be televised and the likes of Lebron James and Kobe Bryant would be living on buses or trailer homes if they wanted to play basketball as a career. They are the ones that kept the wheels spinning. No one would like basketball, and the glory days of high school basketball in Indiana and those Hoosiers would only be a faint memory, and no one would care just like no one around here cares who wins the rugby national championship. If it weren't for basketball, I at least wouldn't be nearly as close to my friends and my father as I am because of basketball.


                  COUGH COUGH! There is a major difference between Larry Legend of the BB court, a top 50 all time player, than Larry Legend in the FO. Just b/c Bird was successful as a player doesn't guarantee him as being successful in the FO. Few great players make it as great/good GM's. Great examples of those that weren't are Zeke and McHale. As far as I'm concerned, Jordan is in their league as well.


                  If Bird doesn't turn this mess around in his tenure in the FO, his Larry Legend's image in INDIANA will be extremely tarnished, b/c people in INDIANA EXPECT the Hick from French Lick to do it. They don't believe their icon can fail. He has set himself up to either be a savior or a failure. If he fails miserably in doing so, people in INDIANA will have a hard time accepting it. The Larry Legend's image will be soiled & tarnished b/c of his icon status. On the other hand if he succeeds, his legend will be talked about in INDIANA with deity status. Like IU fans thought about Robert Montgomery Knight.
                  Last edited by Justin Tyme; 02-21-2010, 06:13 AM.

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                  • #84
                    Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                    Originally posted by Ozwalt72 View Post
                    Upgrade? Yeah right. That's debateable. I think Rush is better than that. Defensively they may be in the same class, but I don't think Henderson is much more than Dahntay offensively.
                    What? If anything Henderson is a far better offensive player (than he is defensive, Rush being more balanced). He was a scoring machine at Duke last year, and had outside, mid and power scoring moves.

                    I really liked Sam Young as a sleeper and I would never say Young was close to being a better scorer than Henderson. Young gets to play at Memphis and "amazingly" is doing just fine.

                    Rush had him on 3P% (41 to 34), but not overall FG% or Points Per Shot. This had a lot to do with Rush taking HALF his shots from 3 while GH only took 1/4 of his shots from 3.

                    GH took 188 FTA to 473 FGA (ratio of .40)
                    Rush took 86 FTA to 414 FGA (ratio of .21)

                    GH scored more PPG last year than Rush did his senior year and the numbers show reasons we've seen in Indy too...reluctant scorer, draws less fouls than GH because GH is more aggressive and capable going into traffic. GH has more one on one scoring moves of NBA caliber. GH has more hops and ability to dunk in traffic than Rush.

                    AST/TO basically identical, FT% identical (76 to 78).


                    Other than those results and Brown refusing to use him this year, what is the evidence that suggests Rush is a better offensive player?


                    I was BEGGING for them to somehow get Kevin Love and Brandon Rush in that draft, so I'm not unhappy with Rush one bit. But that doesn't mean Henderson is dog crap, unless you ask Larry Brown. And if you want to use Brown's judgment I refer simply to the dreaded year to not be named....1997. His judgment that year was that Rose was DNP-CD caliber. Oddly Bird/Rick disagreed the next year, along with the Chicago Bulls.
                    Last edited by Naptown_Seth; 02-21-2010, 06:18 AM.

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                    • #85
                      Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                      Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                      I don't see Rush as a gamer.

                      More important than stats, much more important I believe, is how a player performs when it really counts. Great players get better when things get more intense. They rise to the challenge and succeed when the pressure arrives.

                      I have seen very little to suggest Rush is this kind of player. I've seen a few hints here and there that AJ, Tyler, and Roy fit this category. Danny has already proved it.
                      I'm going to disagree with you a bit, especially because of how he played in college when I first said he was very "McKey-like" or "unselfish to a fault", without knowing his numbers at the time even.

                      What would happen with him is he would defer to Chalmers and Arthur to be the main attack, but then there were periods of time when it would just be obvious that he needed to be the scorer and he'd suddenly go off with some pretty big plays. He was unbothered by pressure situations IMO.

                      I don't think he shied from the spotlight at all, he just has an instinct to avoid being a chucker.


                      I thought BlueNGold made a really good comparison to what Jackson brings at SG, the fire and aggressiveness. But that's not the only way to play SG.

                      The issue for the Pacers is they never replaced what Jackson brings, so it stands out as missing with Rush. I think some of that is on Granger. If Rush can play next to ALL-STAR Danny rather than what we've had most of the year and Roy or a "set you up" PG, then I think he works great.

                      Even as a bench SG, he's not going to come in ala Ford/J Terry and take 12 shots in a hurry. Obviously Jackson would. Sometimes that helps, sometimes that hurts. Rush plays from the POV of "avoid hurting the team". That can be frustrating in what is missing, but at the same time we aren't being frustrated by a slew of horrible FG attempts.

                      I mean I really have been a fan of Jackson's game, but good lord did he have those 4-16 nights that you just wanted him to stop too. You won't get many of those with Brandon.

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                      • #86
                        Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                        I can see both Ford and Rush as evidently fine with staying as each has played rather well in the past two games

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                        • #87
                          Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                          Originally posted by Anthem
                          Our front office thought Ru****J was a fair trade for Nazr/Henderson/Augustin. Charlotte didn't agree. We don't yet know who's right.

                          Hee hee.

                          Now we know that the cuss blocker won't allow S H / T


                          .
                          And I won't be here to see the day
                          It all dries up and blows away
                          I'd hang around just to see
                          But they never had much use for me
                          In Levelland. (James McMurtry)

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                          • #88
                            Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                            Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                            COUGH COUGH! There is a major difference between Larry Legend of the BB court, a top 50 all time player, than Larry Legend in the FO. Just b/c Bird was successful as a player doesn't guarantee him as being successful in the FO. Few great players make it as great/good GM's. Great examples of those that weren't are Zeke and McHale. As far as I'm concerned, Jordan is in their league as well.


                            If Bird doesn't turn this mess around in his tenure in the FO, his Larry Legend's image in INDIANA will be extremely tarnished, b/c people in INDIANA EXPECT the Hick from French Lick to do it. They don't believe their icon can fail. He has set himself up to either be a savior or a failure. If he fails miserably in doing so, people in INDIANA will have a hard time accepting it. The Larry Legend's image will be soiled & tarnished b/c of his icon status. On the other hand if he succeeds, his legend will be talked about in INDIANA with deity status. Like IU fans thought about Robert Montgomery Knight.
                            Gotcha. But still, dont say **** Larry Bird.
                            "I keep wondering the same thing. Last week they had the 4th worst record in the league, had an 11.9 percent chance of winning the lottery and were in line to land a franchise type player like Derrick Favors or DeMarcus Cousins. This week? They have a 1.7 percent chance of winning the lottery, have the 8th worst record and are in line to draft Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe. Way to go Jim O'Brien. Rest Danny Granger the rest of the season (if it isn't too late) and give Josh McRoberts lots of minutes. That ought to do it." - Chad Ford on winning meaningless games

                            Way to go Jim, you may have just put our franchise back another 4+ years.

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                            • #89
                              Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                              Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post
                              I'm going to disagree with you a bit, especially because of how he played in college when I first said he was very "McKey-like" or "unselfish to a fault", without knowing his numbers at the time even.

                              What would happen with him is he would defer to Chalmers and Arthur to be the main attack, but then there were periods of time when it would just be obvious that he needed to be the scorer and he'd suddenly go off with some pretty big plays. He was unbothered by pressure situations IMO.

                              I don't think he shied from the spotlight at all, he just has an instinct to avoid being a chucker.


                              I thought BlueNGold made a really good comparison to what Jackson brings at SG, the fire and aggressiveness. But that's not the only way to play SG.

                              The issue for the Pacers is they never replaced what Jackson brings, so it stands out as missing with Rush. I think some of that is on Granger. If Rush can play next to ALL-STAR Danny rather than what we've had most of the year and Roy or a "set you up" PG, then I think he works great.

                              Even as a bench SG, he's not going to come in ala Ford/J Terry and take 12 shots in a hurry. Obviously Jackson would. Sometimes that helps, sometimes that hurts. Rush plays from the POV of "avoid hurting the team". That can be frustrating in what is missing, but at the same time we aren't being frustrated by a slew of horrible FG attempts.

                              I mean I really have been a fan of Jackson's game, but good lord did he have those 4-16 nights that you just wanted him to stop too. You won't get many of those with Brandon.
                              Sins of omission, sins of commission. As McGee fan pointed out when someone needs to step up at crunch time he's still deferring to someone else. Brandon plays alot like Dun offensively but Dun will step up when needed.
                              Last edited by speakout4; 02-21-2010, 01:23 PM.

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                              • #90
                                Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                                Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                                I totally disagree with this. Remember David Harrison? Their are others who have talent to make the NBA, but were just too lazy to use that talent. They didn't want to work to make it. They just want to slide along w/o putting any effort into it.
                                I think our standards are different. Harrison made it to the NBA on genetics, but he also worked hard to lose weight....and he was in great physical shape. Those are not signs of a lazy person. Lazy people sit on the couch and continue to get fatter and more out of shape. Harrison did the opposite.

                                Anyway, there's a difference between being dumb and being dumb and lazy. Harrison was dumb enough to risk his career by doing drugs. I would not put the lazy label on him though. No, he was not a Reggie Miller worker-type by any means. So, the only way I label Harrison lazy is if we compare him to other NBA players.

                                Now, if you had said Eddy Curry I would probably have to cry uncle.
                                Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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