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Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

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  • #61
    Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

    Originally posted by Kemo View Post
    I wonder... does anyone think he would prally play better at the 3 spot as danny's backup .. but also sharing some minutes at sg..??

    something to ponder
    He certainly is big enough to play SF. The dude has a freakin' barrel chest. He is one of the biggest SGs in the league.

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    • #62
      Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

      Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
      It's not what you think that matters, it comes down to what TPTB think. It's not whether you are right as a pro-Rush fan or a anti-Rush fan is right, it really comes down to what TPTB feel is right. I'm not saying that's best or they are right, b/c I can point out what I feel is poor judgement on many of TPTB decisions.

      Maybe TPTB just don't think Rush is strong enough. That he's just too soft for what plans Bird has for the future.
      Well it matters what I think here as much as anything anyone ever wrote... So I don't get your point. Hence my potential criticism over TPTB. I would have to consider the possibility that they are not very good at their jobs. That is what we do here. Discuss the Pacers and post our opinions right?

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      • #63
        Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

        Originally posted by Hicks View Post
        Again, what's wrong with trading Brandon if you think you're getting equal or greater value back?


        Go back in my reply to Putman who disagreed with my post #15. I pointed out that there was a different way of looking at it than his way. I stand by my post of how I feel regarding what this possible trade says about Rush. I feel that proposed trade has shown TPTB want to go a different direction concerning Rush's future as a Pacer.

        Now, here is the kicker, I posted in the Charlotte trade thread I was in FAVOR of the trade. I feel that the trade of Henderson and Augustin for Rush was fine. That says one of 2 things, either both Henderson and Augustin are valuable, or Rush's value wasn't that much that he was traded for 2 seldom used players. Each person has to decide for themselves which.

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        • #64
          Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

          Originally posted by Thingfish View Post


          Well it matters what I think here as much as anything anyone ever wrote...


          Hence my potential criticism over TPTB. I would have to consider the possibility that they are not very good at their jobs.

          that is what we do here. Discuss the Pacers and post our opinions right?


          ABSOLUTELY! Your opinion matters. My point is that it doesn't matter what you think, I think, or any poster thinks, it's what TPTB thinks that matters.

          You and I couldn't be more in agreement. By now you should know, I'm Bird's biggest non-GM fan.

          Yep, and we both know my opinion is always right.

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          • #65
            Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

            Originally posted by Kemo View Post
            Why would you want "equal" ?? lol

            Wouldnt the point be to upgrade from Brandon.??

            If all there is .. is "equal" value.. no thanks .. I'll keep Rush..
            Because you might want a different piece that fits your team better. In our case, we need all the young talent we can get, and we certainly need more talent at the 1. So turning a young SG into a young PG and another young SG works for me.

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            • #66
              Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

              Originally posted by Thingfish View Post
              I think Brandon is so underrated here. I think he is much more than just a serviceable SG.
              He has the physical ability to be much more than a serviceable SG. I am not convinced he has it from a mental standpoint. It's his passivity...which is integrated into his personality...and his game.

              He is the McKey enigma, but not nearly as good of a player. As a result, I think the Pacers have concluded that he is "at best" a backup SG...which makes him expendable for other pieces that might fill gaps.
              Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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              • #67
                Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                Larry Brown would make Rush an All-Star.
                https://www.twitch.tv/xxSnEaKyPxx
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                • #68
                  Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                  I don't see Rush as a gamer.

                  More important than stats, much more important I believe, is how a player performs when it really counts. Great players get better when things get more intense. They rise to the challenge and succeed when the pressure arrives.

                  I have seen very little to suggest Rush is this kind of player. I've seen a few hints here and there that AJ, Tyler, and Roy fit this category. Danny has already proved it.
                  "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                  • #69
                    Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                    To me Rush is a Raja Bell/Derrick McKey. Henderson would be a step down. Texas struggled when Augustin was the man. To me DJ is not a starting PG in the NBA. (unless you have JOB as your coach - no defense - and you want to continue being bad. Nazr is a crappy big, which you can get cheap in FA (ala the Spurs). I'm really questioning TPTB now. A quality draft pick and a new HC is what I'm hoping for... Not DJ.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                      Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                      I don't see Rush as a gamer.

                      More important than stats, much more important I believe, is how a player performs when it really counts. Great players get better when things get more intense. They rise to the challenge and succeed when the pressure arrives.

                      I have seen very little to suggest Rush is this kind of player. I've seen a few hints here and there that AJ, Tyler, and Roy fit this category. Danny has already proved it.
                      But it is not like Rush is being considered the 1st option on this team like Danny, or even the 2nd option like Murph, I think he should/could be, but that is up to our coach

                      Are you really putting expectations on him to be like Danny when he isnt even the 3rd or 4th option in our offense? When he gets the ball passed to him it is usually to feed Hibbert, or as part of a play to get a shot for Danny. The open shots he does have he ususally takes. He does what is asked of him, I just don't get why people want to give up on him for unproven players.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                        Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                        Now, here is the kicker, I posted in the Charlotte trade thread I was in FAVOR of the trade. I feel that the trade of Henderson and Augustin for Rush was fine. That says one of 2 things, either both Henderson and Augustin are valuable, or Rush's value wasn't that much that he was traded for 2 seldom used players. Each person has to decide for themselves which.
                        Hard to decide value when Charlotte's management decided they didn't think the deal was fair.

                        Our front office thought Ru****J was a fair trade for Nazr/Henderson/Augustin. Charlotte didn't agree. We don't yet know who's right.
                        This space for rent.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                          I'm just wondering how 'passivity' and 'not a gamer' is much of a difference from lazy and uninterested.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                            Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                            I'm just wondering how 'passivity' and 'not a gamer' is much of a difference from lazy and uninterested.
                            It's a matter of degree...and when you compare ultra intense guys to less so intense ones. In any event, I doubt anyone who made it to the NBA is lazy. Genetics helps a ton, but the league is too difficult for people who are truly lazy.

                            Skills and/or physical ability are a given in the NBA. Rush appears to have both...but to be a good starting SG in the NBA, you really need something more.

                            Maybe it's leadership. Maybe intensity. Maybe passion. Maybe intelligence. Maybe a little on-court swagger. I don't know what it is, but I have yet to see Rush demonstrate "what it takes". His brother, in some ways is similar. Brandon is clearly the better defender, but otherwise he may not be that much different than Kareem. ...which is fine if you want a backup SG, but not enough if you want a good starting SG.

                            I do agree with some posters here that it could be a coaching or coaching style issue. The bottom line is that I think this is less on JOb and more on Brandon. I'm not a JOb fan btw...and I do like Rush for the most part. But the truth is the truth.
                            Last edited by BlueNGold; 02-20-2010, 10:56 PM.
                            Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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                            • #74
                              Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                              BTW, Derrick McKey broke some hearts along the way too. He had an incredible amount of talent. At 6'11", the dude was quick enough to guard Michael Jordan pretty well. He also had a picturesque stroke and a pretty drive to the bucket. He could do it all. But he just never did enough for those who recognized his treasure trove of talent.

                              Here's an example. If McKey had Reggie Miller's passion for the game, McKey would have easily been the best player in Pacer history...and would be headed to the HOF. But Derrick instead had Brandon's personality which lacks outward emotion, aggressiveness, killer instinct, swagger, passion....all of those intangibles. Intangibles that a less talented player in Stephen Jackson has by the barrel.

                              Edit: BTW, whether Brandon is actually more talented than Jackson, I'm not at all sure. I do know that Brandon has the talent to be both a better shooter and probably better defender. But at this rate, he is not a spring chicken and has a very long way to go to being as good as Jack.
                              Last edited by BlueNGold; 02-20-2010, 11:09 PM.
                              Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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                              • #75
                                Re: Well's> Ford, Rush taken aback by Pacers' trade talk

                                Originally posted by Kemo View Post
                                I wonder... does anyone think he would prally play better at the 3 spot as danny's backup .. but also sharing some minutes at sg..??

                                something to ponder.
                                It certainly works beautifully for me on NBA 2k10.
                                Coach Vogel on the Chicago crowd in game 4 : "I only heard pacers fans. I didn't see any red, I saw Pacers fans I saw yellow and blue, and I heard Pacers chants. That's all I heard the whole game."

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