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    Trade-talk roundup: What we know

    What's the latest trade intel? Our reporters are on the case. We'll be updating this file all through Thursday's 3 p.m. ET trade deadline. Refresh and follow along with us.
    Bookmark this link for ESPN'S latest updates.

    Here's the latest as of 9:45 p.m.
    POSTED: Feb. 16 -- 7:51 p.m. ET


    J.A. Adande: With rampant speculation that Miami is trying to pry Amare Stoudemire from the Phoenix Suns before the Cleveland Cavaliers can get him, here are two possible scenarios.
    According to an NBA source, the Heat are offering Daequan Cook, Quentin Richardson, Dorell Wright, Mario Chalmers and draft picks to the Suns. Cook is the only player among that group who is under contract for next season (Chalmers has a team option for $847,000). It is believed that the Suns would rather have a package from Cleveland that would include Zydrunas Ilgauskas, J.J. Hickson and a draft pick, with the young Hickson as the most appealing part of the package.
    Another league source said the Suns would like to attach Jason Richardson to a Stoudemire trade, which would relieve Phoenix from having to pay Richardson's $14 million salary next season. The combined $29 million of outgoing salary from Stoudemire and Richardson this season would be too difficult for Cleveland to match to make a trade work under the salary-cap guidelines. Miami, however, could add the $23 million expiring salary of Jermaine O'Neal to the previously mentioned offer and come within the 25 percent range of matching salaries. I have yet to hear that the Heat are willing to do so, I am merely mentioning the possibility.
    That would have obvious appeal to the Suns, allowing them to escape from luxury-tax land next season and positioning them to go after a major free agent this summer.
    The Suns would be looking at nine players under contract for a total of about $33 million next season: Steve Nash ($10.3 million), Leandro Barbosa ($7.1 million), Grant Hill ($3.3 million player option), Channing Frye ($2 million player option), Goran Dragic ($2 million), Earl Clark ($1.9 million), Robin Lopez ($1.9 million), Jared Dudley ($2.2 million) and Cook ($2.2 million).
    The Heat would be stuck with Richardson's contract and could potentially have Stoudemire opt out and leave them as a free agent. But they would also have Stoudemire's Larry Bird rights, enabling them to offer a longer and more lucrative contract than any other team. And they would have demonstrated to Dwyane Wade that they would do whatever it takes to bring another All-Star to play alongside him.

    POSTED: Feb. 16 -- 6:02 p.m. ET

    Chad Ford: The Knicks have had discussions with both the Rockets and Bulls about deals that would bring Tracy McGrady and Tyrus Thomas, respectively, to New York.
    However, as of Tuesday afternoon, the Knicks say they aren't sure where they stand with either team.
    McGrady's agent, Arn Tellem, initiated talks with the Knicks and has been trying to make a deal happen, according to a source close to the process. The Knicks believe McGrady still can play and hope he can both lead them to a playoff berth and help persuade LeBron James to come to New York in the summer. Even if McGrady can do neither, he would allow the Knicks to get further under the cap this summer if the deal included Jared Jeffries.
    But the Rockets' asking price is steep if they have to take back Jeffries and the $6.6 million remaining on his contract next season.
    The same source said the Rockets want expiring contracts, 2009 first-round pick Jordan Hill and future first-rounders from New York to make it happen. That's too rich for the Knicks' blood. Although they'd love to clear Jeffries' contract off the books, it'd be too big of a risk. If the Knicks didn't land a marquee free agent or two in the summer, they'd have given away up to three high draft picks for nothing.
    If the Rockets drop the request for the future 2012 first-rounder, the Knicks might be game for a deal that would send Larry Hughes, Jeffries and Hill to Houston for McGrady. Still, a source close to the process believes the Rockets may have better options for McGrady if the Knicks aren't willing to meet their demands.
    Meanwhile, New York also has initiated discussions with the Bulls about a Thomas swap. The Knicks are willing to offer Chicago Al Harrington for Thomas and Jerome James. But although Harrington would be a plus for the Bulls this season, Chicago has been hoping to get a future asset (preferably a first-round pick or a good player) in return for Thomas.

    POSTED: Feb. 16 -- 4:31 p.m. ET


    Marc Stein: Cleveland's interest in Antawn Jamison dates to last season and apparently has spawned some radio rumblings in the D.C. area about the Wizards and Cavs discussing a deal that would swap Jamison and Mike Miller for Shaquille O'Neal.
    I've been encouraged by both teams to dispel that notion in the strongest possible terms. Both teams resoundingly shot down the idea when we checked with them. Got a flat "no" from one of the two teams and a louder "BIG no" from the other.
    The Cavs still covet Jamison, but giving up Shaq to get him makes no sense, even if they do successfully strike a deal for Amare Stoudemire before Thursday's 3 p.m. ET deadline.
    On top of the fact that the Cavs are very pleased with Shaq's first 50-plus games in town, they need him for potential down-the-road playoff matchups against Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, etc. Cleveland, remember, thinks defense first.

    POSTED: Feb. 16 -- 3:51 p.m. ET


    Chad Ford: The Wolves continue to rebuff teams looking into the availability of Al Jefferson.
    A source close to the process told that the Wolves recently said no to a potential Luol Deng and Tyrus Thomas for Jefferson deal, telling the Bulls that they aren't going to move Jefferson by the trade deadline, which is consistent with what Wolves GM David Kahn has been saying for weeks. However, a Deng-and-Thomas deal was the most realistic trade scenario we've heard for Jefferson.
    Jefferson was one of the first big names to get mentioned in trade deadline buzz when word came out that the Pacers had rebuffed an offer of Jefferson for Danny Granger. Since then, Kahn has been adamant that he's not trading any member of his young core by the trade deadline. Kahn has maintained he wants an entire season to evaluate the talent he has on the roster.

    POSTED: Feb. 16 -- 3:34 p.m. ET


    Marc Stein: The Clippers fended off interest in newly minted All-Star center Chris Kaman before trading Marcus Camby to Portland on Monday.
    Detroit needs a big man who can score and, according to sources close to the situation, recently followed up its interest in Utah's Carlos Boozer and Phoenix's Amare Stoudemire by trying to pry Kaman away from the Clips with a package headlined by Tayshaun Prince.
    Don't forget that Kaman, besides ranking as one of the few players in the league averaging at least 20 points and nine rebounds this season, is a Michigan native.
    Yet sources say the Clips made it clear that Kaman -- who has two seasons left on his contract after this one at a combined $23.5 million, compared to one more year left for Prince at $11.1 million -- was not available.
    So with DeAndre Jordan in the Clips' center rotation as well, they decided to ship Camby to the Blazers for Travis Outlaw, Steve Blake and $1.5 million in cash, setting up Jordan as Kaman's new backup and leaving open the possibility that L.A. will be a free-agent factor this summer if it can ship out Al Thornton and/or Sebastian Telfair.

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    Here is my best guess. Teams are actively talking with the Pacers but they are throwing in names like Hibbert, Rush and Price and Bird is not budging. My guess is that a desperate team that wants Murphy will make a better deal. My best guess is that it will come from a Western conference team like Sac. I think Cleveland will only make the trade if that is their last resort. To be honest I think Hickson would be the best that the Pacers can get and to me Hickson is better just from a contract standpoint and that is the main attraction. My first guess though is that the Pacers right now are all talk but no action will get done.
    JOB is a silly man


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      POSTED: Feb. 16 -- 9:21 p.m. ET


      Chris Sheridan:The Houston Rockets and New York Knicks are "making progress" in their Tracy McGrady trade discussions, according to a source close to the talks, and Knicks president Donnie Walsh is expected to speak with owner Jim Dolan on Wednesday to discuss the parameters of the deals that have been discussed, and how best to proceed forward. Several sources say the main holdup to this point has been the Rockets insistence on asking for at least one future No. 1 pick as the price for taking on Jeffries, who is owed $6.9 next season. Dolan has always been amenable to throwing $3 million cash into the kitty to make a deal go through, but a decade of sacrificing first-round draft picks has left him hesitant to sign off on letting another one go (The Knicks owe their own 2010 pick to Utah). The Rockets are believed to be seeking the Knicks' 2012 first-round pick, along with the option to swap first-round picks in 2011, and there are unresolved issues regarding lottery protection on the draft picks. But the bottom line for New York is that trading Jeffries opens up nearly $7 million in additional cap space for next summer, giving the Knicks the flexibility to not only make a max offer to LeBron James, but also choose between retaining All-Star David Lee, or trying to use Lee in a sign-and-trade for Chris Bosh.
      If the teams swap McGrady, Brian Cook and Joey Dorsey for Larry Hughes, Jeffries and Jordan, the Rockets would drop almost $2 million below the luxury tax threshold and would be eligible for a $4-plus million tax redistribution payment.
      If Al Harrington was put in the trade instead of Hughes, and Cook was removed, the financial savings for Houston would be about the same. As things stand now, the Rockets are $2.7 over the tax threshold.


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        Just filed to Rockets narrow T-Mac choices to offers from Knicks and Bulls and plan to make their choice Wednesday. Link to come 11 minutes ago from TweetDeck


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          POSTED: Feb. 16 -- 10:44 p.m. ET

          Chris Sheridan: Marc Stein has a news story with more on the Knicks-Rockets-Bulls trade situation, to which we'll add this nugget: If Chicago is willing to deal the expiring contracts of Tyrus Thomas, Brad Miller and Jerome James for McGrady and Brian Cook, it would shave $2.75 off the Rockets' payroll and move them just barely below the luxury tax line. Here is how that deal looks in the ESPN NBA Trade Machine.


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            Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
            Since then, Kahn has been adamant that he's not trading any member of his young core by the trade deadline. Kahn has maintained he wants an entire season to evaluate the talent he has on the roster.
            Called it. Called it called it called it.

            I'm not very happy about that.
            This space for rent.


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              Originally posted by Anthem View Post
              Called it. Called it called it called it.

              I'm not very happy about that.
              What do you care about what Minny does?


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                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                What do you care about what Minny does?

                Perhaps he had a memory lapse with what team Kahn is presently associated with.


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                  Knicks finalizing deal to land T-Mac from Rockets

                  The New York Knicks are finalizing a deal to acquire Houston Rockets forward Tracy McGrady, an NBA source told

                  The framework of the deal involves sending McGrady to New York for forward Jared Jeffries, guard Larry Hughes and forward Jordan Hill. The Knicks and Rockets have agreed to swap 2011 first round picks and the Knicks will send the Rockets their first round pick in 2012.

                  The only outstanding issues involve protection for the draft picks.

                  The deal could be completed as early as tomorrow
                  @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!


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                    Spurs shopping Jefferson before trade deadline

                    Displeased with the way he has fit into their system, the San Antonio Spurs are attempting to trade forward Richard Jefferson just days before the trade deadline, multiple league sources have confirmed.

                    However, because of Jefferson's lack of production this season, as well as his $14.2 million salary, it does not seem likely the Spurs are going to find any takers.

                    "They're trying, but there may not be a market for his contract," one Eastern Conference executive told

                    Jefferson has one year and $15.2 million remaining after this season.

                    The calls being placed by Spurs general manager R.C. Buford are a stark admittance that he made a mistake when trading Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas and Fabricio Oberto to the Milwaukee Bucks for Jefferson, envisioning him as yet another talented scoring option to complement Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili.

                    Instead, the 29-year-old Jefferson is having the worst season since his rookie year, averaging 12.2 points, 3.6 rebounds and 2.1 assists as he has struggled to fit in with the Spurs' primary trio.

                    Perhaps even more intriguing is whether Buford's intentions with Jefferson is a sign that he thinks the Spurs in their current form cannot win a title. The Spurs are essentially tied with the Oklahoma City Thunder and the Phoenix Suns for the fifth seed in the Western Conference but have lost eight of their past 14 games
                    @WhatTheFFacts: Studies show that sarcasm enhances the ability of the human mind to solve complex problems!


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                      POSTED: Feb. 17 -- 1:04 a.m. ET


                      Chris Sheridan: There are reports in the New York Daily News and Boston Herald that the Knicks and Celtics are close to a deal that would send Nate Robinson to Boston. I have confirmed that the teams have renewed discussions, but there is one major thing to keep in mind: Robinson is what's known as a base-year compensation player, which can be a complicating factor. Robinson makes $4 million, but the Knicks can take back a maximum of only $2.02 million in returning salary.
                      Just an educated guess, but if Boston was willing to trade a No. 1 pick for Nate, it'd blunt the pain of New York surrendering a first-rounder or two to the Rockets in a McGrady deal. On a related note, three plugged-in sources indicated the Knicks seemed eager to get their business done Wednesday rather than wait until the 11th hour Thursday afternoon.


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                        POSTED: Feb. 17 -- 1:15 a.m. ET

                        Chris Broussard: Sources with direct knowledge of negotiations between the Cavaliers and Wizards deny a report that the Cavs have made an offer (Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Jamario Moon, first-round pick) for Antawn Jamison.
                        The clubs have had discussions, but no offer is on the table, according to the sources.
                        Cleveland is still waiting for Phoenix to give a verdict on its offer of Ilgauskas, J.J. Hickson and a first-round pick for Amare Stoudemire. But the Cavs' interest in Jamison is real. Cleveland is very excited about Hickson's development and if they could obtain Jamison without giving up Hickson, they may consider taking that deal over the Stoudemire deal.
                        The Cavs have also had talks with Indiana about Troy Murphy, as well as Golden State about Corey Maggette.
                        Phoenix has been shopping Cleveland's offer around the league, basically asking clubs if they can top it.
                        Miami is trying, and Charlotte also tried to get in the discussions. But since the Bobcats don't have any expiring contracts, they have nothing of interest to the Suns. Sources say Stoudemire would not be interested in re-signing with Charlotte anyway.
                        There has been speculation that the Cavs are not truly interested in Stoudemire because they have yet to contact his agent, Happy Walters, about whether Stoudemire would sign a long-term deal with Cleveland.
                        But sources close to the situation say Stoudemire would be of value to the Cavaliers regardless of his feelings about a long-term contract. If things go well and Cleveland wins a title, he'll likely want to re-sign, and if he doesn't want to re-sign, the Cavs will be able to use him in a sign-and-trade deal.
                        Milwaukee, loaded with expiring contracts, is one of the more active teams and is expected to make a deal before the Thursday deadline. The Bucks have interest in Indiana's Troy Murphy, but the Pacers' asking price is too steep.
                        Denver, in search of a big man, contacted the Bucks about Kurt Thomas and Hakim Warrick. But talks didn't go far after the Nuggets refused to offer any of their rotation players.


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                          If making a trade involving Murphy for "some worth while asset for the future" is not going to happen....then why not make one to make another push ( despite it being futile ) for this season's playoffs?

                          Before you ask why on Earth I would even consider "trying to make the Playoffs", I don't....I'm perfectly cool with playing McRoberts and Solo while dumping Murphy for nothing and essentially "tanking". But do you think that it's out of the realm of possibility that the Pacers FO is not thinking of returning to the Playoffs ( again )?

                          The Pacers FO has essentially done the same thing over the last 2 seasons....why not continue to do so despite the fact that we are 8 games out of the 8th spot? For all we know, the Pacers FO could be thinking that if it weren't injuries to our decimated Frontcourt....we'd actually be doing much better.

                          I'd wonder if we could swing some deal with the Bucks and some 3rd Team.

                          Bucks send Kurt Thomas + Ridnour and gets Murphy+Watson+Solo

                          Pacers send Murphy+Watson+Solo and gets Kurt Thomas + "some asset from a 3rd Team"

                          3rd team gets Ridnour while sending back "some asset to the Pacers"

                          The Pacers gets some Frontcourt Depth for this season with Kurt Thomas and some other Asset for Ridnour's $6.5 mil 2009-2010 Expiring Contract

                          I don't know...I'm bored and throwing the proverbial "spaghetti against the wall" to see what sticks. I think that we have seen what Murphy's trade value is....he's not even worth an Expiring Contract and some asset for the future. Maybe the best that we can expect is to do the same old ( stupid ) thing that we have done.....continue on the road of futility and try for the Playoffs again .

                          EDIT - I was reading on the Bucks RealGM board that Chad Ford said that the Thunder maybe interested in moving Collison+Suns 2010 1st round pick for an Expiring. How about:

                          Bucks sends out Kurt Thomas + Warrick + Ridnour and get Murphy+Watson+Solo
                          Pacers send out Murphy+Watson+Solo and gets Kurt Thomas + Collison + Warrick + Thunder 1st round pick ( from the Suns )
                          Thunder sends out Collison + Thunder 1st round pick ( from the Suns ) and gets Ridnour
                          Last edited by CableKC; 02-17-2010, 04:55 AM.
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                          • #14
                            Re: Trade-talk roundup

                            Originally posted by Anthem View Post
                            Called it. Called it called it called it.

                            I'm not very happy about that.

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                            Not sure why you're feeling the wrath of Kahn tho!
                            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.


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                            • #15
                              Re: Trade-talk roundup

                              God our talent is so bad we cannot even get our second best player to be some other teams 3rd option right now for a trade.
                              JOB is a silly man