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  • #16
    Re: Trade-talk roundup

    Originally posted by jhondog28 View Post
    God our talent is so bad we cannot even get our second best player to be some other teams 3rd option right now for a trade.

    The real problem is that we aren't dealing from a position of strength in talks with the Cavs. Murphy is overpaid, awful on defense, and not the best PF available; Cleveland doesn't have to make a deal at all, much less overpay for a guy like him.

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    • #17
      Re: Trade-talk roundup

      To save you all from grief, here is the trade recap for this deadline from the pacers perspective:

      NOTHING

      All talk, but nothing gets done.

      Seriously, do not get your hopes up. There are feelers out for teams willing to overpay for Troy Murphy or TJ Ford, but since there are no more NBA GM's with the basketball front office acumen of Isiah Thomas, IT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN, PEOPLE.

      Accept it, take a depth breath, and stop refreshing real gm and hoopshype windows every 5 minutes! otherwise the disappointment will make you "go PFFL"*.



      * ask an old-timer what this means
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      • #18
        Re: Trade-talk roundup

        Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
        Perhaps he had a memory lapse with what team Kahn is presently associated with.
        This space for rent.

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        • #19
          Re: Trade-talk roundup

          For all y'all complaining about Troy Murphy's trade value... What about Amare's? What about Jamison's? Kevin Martin's? Can anyone name me one single player getting anything close to equal trade value on the market?

          Hell, if the rumors of JJ for Trophy are true, then Troy is probably getting the closest to his own value right now. Isn't he?
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          • #20
            Re: Trade-talk roundup

            http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...lkRoundup-2010
            POSTED: Feb. 17 -- 12:24 p.m. ET

            Jamison
            Chad Ford: For weeks, sources close to the situation have asserted to ESPN.com that the Wizards were reluctant to trade Antawn Jamison. Over the course of the last 72 hours, however, it appears that the Wizards' position on Jamison has softened considerably.

            Sources say the Wizards and Cavs had discussions on Tuesday about several potential deals that would send Jamison to Cleveland. The same sources said talks ended without a firm offer from Cleveland.

            As of Wednesday afternoon, the Wizards are waiting on the Cavs to see if those potential deals become an actual trade.

            "The ball is in Cleveland's court," one source told ESPN.com. "If Cleveland comes back with a firm offer based on the potential deals they discussed, I think the Wizards will move Jamison."

            The Wizards' new stance on Jamison is being fueled by two factors. First, the trade of Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood for Josh Howard has left the team lacking in talent. Jamsion signed an extension with the club 18 months ago expecting to be on a contender. Now that the Wizards are in rebuilding mode, Jamison would like to be traded to a contender.

            "Jamison is a great guy," one source said. "He's been a model player for the Wizards on and off the floor. The Wizards don't want to lose him. He's been a rock in the locker room. However, I think the Wizards want to do right by him. He's at the end of his career. He deserves to have a chance to win a title."

            The other factor is that the Wizards are currently over the NBA's luxury tax threshold. At least one potential deal discussed with Cleveland on Tuesday (Jamison and Mike James for Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Jamario Moon) would put the Wizards below the tax this season. Getting below the tax could save the Wizards around $10 million this year once you factor in rebates that teams under the tax receive from the league.

            If the Cavs decide to pull the trigger on the Amare Stoudemire deal instead, look for the Wizards to explore ways of trading Jamison this summer.
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            • #21
              Re: Trade-talk roundup

              Originally posted by FlavaDave View Post
              For all y'all complaining about Troy Murphy's trade value... What about Amare's? What about Jamison's? Kevin Martin's? Can anyone name me one single player getting anything close to equal trade value on the market?

              Hell, if the rumors of JJ for Trophy are true, then Troy is probably getting the closest to his own value right now. Isn't he?
              Only when (IF) any of those players are traded will we know what their trade value is. Until then it is just speculation.

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              • #22
                Re: Trade-talk roundup

                Originally posted by FlavaDave View Post
                For all y'all complaining about Troy Murphy's trade value... What about Amare's? What about Jamison's? Kevin Martin's? Can anyone name me one single player getting anything close to equal trade value on the market?

                Hell, if the rumors of JJ for Trophy are true, then Troy is probably getting the closest to his own value right now. Isn't he?
                That's what been painfully clear, everything that we have heard is that the best offer that the Pacers received ( supposedly ) is the "Last resort / Plan B / Taco Bell 99 cent Value Menu Burrito / Choose the Ugliest Girl at the Bar cuz you have no choice at the end of the night" offer from the Cavs where we get an Expiring Contract and an extreme reluctance to give up anything of value.

                What value does a $12+ mil Expiring Contract get on the Open Market in 2010-2011 Trade Deadline when the best offer that we got this season was a Expiring Contract and a prospect?
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                • #23
                  Re: Trade-talk roundup

                  Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                  That's what been painfully clear, everything that we have heard is that the best offer that the Pacers received ( supposedly ) is the "Last resort / Plan B / Taco Bell 99 cent Value Menu Burrito / Choose the Ugliest Girl at the Bar cuz you have no choice at the end of the night" offer from the Cavs where we get an Expiring Contract and an extreme reluctance to give up anything of value.

                  What value does a $12+ mil Expiring Contract get on the Open Market in 2010-2011 Trade Deadline when the best offer that we got this season was a Expiring Contract and a prospect?
                  THIS.

                  That's the one thing I hope Bird and also the Pacers fans realize. Look at what expire contracts have to offer this year. And we're talking about what is suppose to be one of the biggest free agent years, with an array of superstars possibly available, and as of now an expiring gets you the like of Caron Butler, who is a good player don't get me wrong, but not necessarily a franchise changer, and he's only available b/c the Wizards are blowing up the team, same can be said for Jamison.

                  You also have Amare, but there are some who are even skeptical about him. Plus the Amare and Jamison deals are requiring a team to give up either a 1st round pick, or young prospect. SERIOUSLY?

                  Let's not forget the fact that the big "difference maker" being traded is going to have to want to play in Indiana.... yeah right.

                  So far the guys on the move for expiring have gone to a contender Like Butler to Dallas, or Camby to Portland. Amare is rumored to the Heat or to the Cavs along with Jamison.

                  The same can be said for a free agent. of course money talks, but players these days want a chance to win as well, and the Pacers don't offer that right now, and we're not a big market so we don't have the Knicks or Nets type of attraction either

                  Our best bet is to luck out in the draft, or take a gamble by overpaying or signing for a young player who hasn't got a chance to show his stuff on another team and needs a change of scenery, or hoping a good player on a team that's stacked what's to be the main guy, or showcase his skills elsewhere to get more credit.

                  Though we have contracts coming off the books in 2011, that frankly means nothing except Bird better make his decisions a lot more wisely, b/c he can't afford to play it safe when that time comes

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                  • #24
                    Re: Trade-talk roundup

                    POSTED: Feb. 17 -- 2:38 p.m. ET

                    Stoudemire

                    Chad Ford: All is still quiet on the Amare Stoudemire trade front. As of Wednesday afternoon, sources familiar with the negotiations said the Suns have yet to signal whether the team will trade Stoudemire to the Cavs or Heat -- or whether they'll trade him at all.
                    The Cavs have been pushing for the Suns to give them an answer. But Phoenix is holding out and will likely wait until Thursday to make a decision, according to sources.
                    Of the two teams vying for Stoudemire, only the Heat have actually received permission from the Suns to speak to Stoudemire's agent. The Cavs, as of Wednesday afternoon, have yet to call.
                    Still, sources close to the negotiations say that, right now, Cleveland is the front-runner. Why? Because the Heat have yet to offer the Suns a deal that would beat the Cavs' offer of Zydrunas Ilgauskas and J.J. Hickson. One source familiar with the negotiations told ESPN.com that the Heat have yet to offer Michael Beasley or either of their two first-round picks.
                    "I'm not sure Miami is willing to pay the price for Amare," a Suns source told ESPN.com. "We have to get something for him. We're not giving him away. If Miami gets serious then I think they would get him. But right now, they are not showing they're serious."
                    Is there a possibility that Amare isn't traded at all?
                    "It's possible," the Suns source said. "We haven't been blown away with an offer yet."
                    If the Suns decide to keep Stoudemire, it could be a rocky few months. A source familiar with the negotiations told ESPN.com that the Suns and Stoudemire have ended all talks on a contract extension. If Stoudemire plays out the season in Phoenix, he'll likely leave this summer.
                    "He's being personally wooed by LeBron James and Dwyane Wade," the source said. "On the other side, he's being actively shopped by the Suns. He feels like he may be more wanted elsewhere."

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                    • #25
                      Re: Trade-talk roundup

                      POSTED: Feb. 17 -- 3:09 p.m. ET

                      McGrady

                      Chad Ford: The Knicks and Rockets spoke this morning about a potential Tracy McGrady trade. Sources familiar with the negotiations told ESPN.com that while the Knicks told the Rockets that they remain interested in acquiring McGrady in a deal for Larry Hughes and Jared Jeffries, they are still unwilling to meet all of the Rockets' demands -- cap relief, Jordan Hill, the swapping of 2011 first-round picks and the Knicks' 2012 first-round pick.
                      "We'd like McGrady and the cap relief," one Knicks source said. "But the Rockets are asking for too much. We're willing to pay a premium to make a deal. But the price right now is still too high."
                      According to the source, the Rockets are still looking for other partners. The Bulls have been mentioned as a possibility, however, sources believe that their offer is less attractive than the Knicks' -- even if the Knicks don't give the Rockets everything they're asking for.
                      The Knicks also had several other trades brewing on Wednesday. Two sources said the Celtics and Knicks are in advanced talks about a Nate Robinson-for-Eddie House swap. However, both sources stressed that a deal was not completed yet.
                      The Timberwolves also inquired about a possible Darko Milicic-for-Brian Cardinal deal. The Knicks might be inclined to pull the trigger (it could save them some cash this year) depending on what happens with the Rockets and Celtics.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Trade-talk roundup



                        POSTED: Feb. 17 -- 3:09 p.m. ET


                        Chad Ford: The Knicks also had several other trades brewing Wednesday. Two sources said the Celtics and Knicks are in advanced talks about a Nate Robinson-for-Eddie House swap. However, both sources stressed that a deal was not completed yet.
                        The Timberwolves also inquired about a possible Darko Milicic-for-Brian Cardinal deal. The Knicks might be inclined to pull the trigger (it could save them some cash this year) depending on what happens with the Rockets and Celtics.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Trade-talk roundup

                          FYI - NBATV has a 90 minute trade deadline special starting at 2 PM Thursday

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                          • #28
                            Re: Trade-talk roundup

                            POSTED: Feb. 17 -- 4:39 p.m. ET


                            Marc Stein: The Miami Heat have indeed expressed interest in San Antonio's Roger Mason, but the Miami deal that interested the Spurs most is no longer possible.
                            The Spurs were hoping to tempt Miami into absorbing Mason's $3.8 million expiring contract into a $4.3 million trade exception that would have enabled the teams to complete a deal without San Antonio needing to take back another player. A future second-round pick from the Heat would have completed the transaction.
                            But the Heat, dealing with their own luxury-tax issues like San Antonio and reluctant to add to their payroll, ultimately declined.
                            And the trade exception in question -- created through the departure of Marcus Banks in Miami's Shawn Marion trade with Toronto on Feb. 15, 2009 -- expired Monday at midnight.
                            The Spurs and Mason's agent, Mark Bartelstein, have mutually agreed to pursue trades before Thursday's 3 p.m. trading deadline, but it'll take a new trade construction to get Mason to Miami now if the Heat want to try again.
                            San Antonio is more than $10 million over the luxury-tax threshold, so the deal proposed Monday to Miami would have cut their tax bill by nearly 40 percent. Miami is roughly $2.8 million over the tax threshold.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Trade-talk roundup

                              New name in trade talks: Mike Conley
                              February, 17, 2010 Feb 175:12PM ETComment Email Print Share By Chad Ford
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                              http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/cat...-trade-reports

                              Conley
                              It's rare that you hear a new name pop up on the trade front this late in the game, but two sources have told ESPN.com that the Grizzlies have let teams know Mike Conley can be had in exchange for cap relief and a good first-round pick.

                              The Grizzlies have had an on-again, off-again relationship with Conley since his rookie season. And with Jamaal Tinsley in place, and O.J. Mayo capable of swinging to the point, it sounds like they're ready to cut bait if the right deal comes along.

                              Although one source stressed that it's unlikely Conley is moved before the trade deadline, it's interesting that his name is even out there.
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                              • #30
                                Re: Trade-talk roundup

                                Originally posted by PacerGuy View Post
                                New name in trade talks: Mike Conley
                                February, 17, 2010 Feb 175:12PM ETComment Email Print Share By Chad Ford
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                                Conley
                                It's rare that you hear a new name pop up on the trade front this late in the game, but two sources have told ESPN.com that the Grizzlies have let teams know Mike Conley can be had in exchange for cap relief and a good first-round pick.

                                The Grizzlies have had an on-again, off-again relationship with Conley since his rookie season. And with Jamaal Tinsley in place, and O.J. Mayo capable of swinging to the point, it sounds like they're ready to cut bait if the right deal comes along.

                                Although one source stressed that it's unlikely Conley is moved before the trade deadline, it's interesting that his name is even out there.
                                Wow,

                                not trading away an existing starting PG becuase of Jammal Tinsley in place!

                                must really tell you something about Conley for them to give up on a young PG for expirings
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