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"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

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"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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Proof that the Grizzlies have one of the worst FO in the league - ZBO to Grizz

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  • #31
    Re: Proof that the Grizzlies have one of the worst FO in the league - ZBO to Grizz

    I also recall during the 2006-2007 season that he went on bereavement leave due to the death of a family member, only to be spotted at a Portland strip club the same night -- bolting without paying a $106 tab.

    That tells me all I need about him and his attitude towards the game.

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    • #32
      Re: Proof that the Grizzlies have one of the worst FO in the league - ZBO to Grizz

      What gets lost in this conversation is that Marc Gasol's fantasy value is getting royally screwed right now. Blargh, another year of Big Z. Oh wait, Shaq's on that team now? and Varejao too.

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      • #33
        Re: Proof that the Grizzlies have one of the worst FO in the league - ZBO to Grizz

        Memphis is not an attractive destination for NBA ballers, so getting talent like Zach with only 2 years left on his deal is not a bad move. Granted, his D is horrific.

        As to his locker room quality, NBA teams will know far more than the public. Memphis did fine if they think he won't poison their youth.

        And remember, Q doesn't exactly have a sterling rep either.

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        • #34
          Re: Proof that the Grizzlies have one of the worst FO in the league - ZBO to Grizz

          Originally posted by danman View Post
          Memphis is not an attractive destination for NBA ballers, so getting talent like Zach with only 2 years left on his deal is not a bad move. Granted, his D is horrific.

          As to his locker room quality, NBA teams will know far more than the public. Memphis did fine if they think he won't poison their youth.

          And remember, Q doesn't exactly have a sterling rep either.
          That, is the million dollar question. That team is full of young guys playing on their rookie contracts. They really don't have any veterans. Z-bo is that veteran. Not the guy I would want tutoring my young players if I'm Memphis.

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          • #35
            Re: Proof that the Grizzlies have one of the worst FO in the league - ZBO to Grizz

            Originally posted by cdash View Post
            The league's two dumbest GMs teaming up to make a deal. Dunleavy Sr. wins this one.
            Wow I would not say that at all. Wallace yes Dun Sr. as a GM? No. He has always struggled taking on both jobs as a coach and a GM at the same time but has always done fairly well when he only has one responsibility.
            JOB is a silly man

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            • #36
              Re: Proof that the Grizzlies have one of the worst FO in the league - ZBO to Grizz

              Originally posted by jhondog28 View Post
              Wow I would not say that at all. Wallace yes Dun Sr. as a GM? No. He has always struggled taking on both jobs as a coach and a GM at the same time but has always done fairly well when he only has one responsibility.
              Who's worse?

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              • #37
                Re: Proof that the Grizzlies have one of the worst FO in the league - ZBO to Grizz

                Who is worse? He basically got Camby for nothing and all I know as that by him getting rid of ZBo it frees something like 20 million up for them going into 2010. That is a heck of a bargaining chip going into that free agent class especially when your in an attractive city like LA. All I am saying is that as a GM he actually is not bad at all. As a coach he is average. When he takes on both he is below average.
                JOB is a silly man

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                • #38
                  Re: Proof that the Grizzlies have one of the worst FO in the league - ZBO to Grizz

                  Originally posted by DisplacedKnick View Post
                  Zach's getting a bit of a bad rap when people call him a cancer. He's not much of a defender and has holes in his game but he hasn't been any kind of locker room poison or anything.
                  Didn't Portland trade him because they felt it was impossible to change the locker room culture and allow Brandon Roy to become a leader with Randolph around?

                  Didn't I see him with his back to Troy Murphy complaining to the ref while Troy nailed a 3 last year?

                  I'll admit that he has talent, but he's the last guy I'd want around young players like Mayo and Gay. Both those guys have (minor) character issues - general shadiness and sketchy past for Mayo, and a history of lackadaisicality for Gay - that could easily be exacerbated by being around Randolph.

                  This trade is an absolute home run for the Clippers. The Griz are going to pay Randolph's salary so they can pick 10th instead of 2nd next season.
                  "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

                  - Salman Rushdie

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                  • #39
                    Re: Proof that the Grizzlies have one of the worst FO in the league - ZBO to Grizz

                    It gets better, apparently Iverson is interested in signing with the Grizzles.

                    http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...ing_grizzlies/


                    Allen Iverson has made it known through his representatives that he is interested in signing with the Memphis Grizzlies, according to multiple sources.

                    The Grizzlies front office is said to be internally weighing the pros and cons of possibly adding Iverson to the team's youth movement

                    I guess the bright side is that they'll fill some seats for the 1st month or two.

                    Iverson, Conley
                    Mayo
                    Gay
                    Randolph, Arthur
                    Gasol, Thabeet

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                    • #40
                      Re: Proof that the Grizzlies have one of the worst FO in the league - ZBO to Grizz

                      Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
                      It gets better, apparently Iverson is interested in signing with the Grizzles.

                      http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...ing_grizzlies/





                      I guess the bright side is that they'll fill some seats for the 1st month or two.

                      Iverson, Conley
                      Mayo
                      Gay
                      Randolph, Arthur
                      Gasol, Thabeet
                      LOL whats the con? The already added Randolph and by adding Iverson they want their team to come across as too thuggish. Guess what team....its too late!
                      JOB is a silly man

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                      • #41
                        Re: Proof that the Grizzlies have one of the worst FO in the league - ZBO to Grizz

                        Originally posted by jhondog28 View Post
                        LOL whats the con? The already added Randolph and by adding Iverson they want their team to come across as too thuggish. Guess what team....its too late!
                        too thuggish???...

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                        • #42
                          Re: Proof that the Grizzlies have one of the worst FO in the league - ZBO to Grizz

                          Originally posted by pwee31 View Post
                          It gets better, apparently Iverson is interested in signing with the Grizzles.

                          http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...ing_grizzlies/





                          I guess the bright side is that they'll fill some seats for the 1st month or two.

                          Iverson, Conley
                          Mayo
                          Gay
                          Randolph, Arthur
                          Gasol, Thabeet

                          Wonder how long it will be before Iverson is banned from Tunica casinos

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                          • #43
                            Re: Proof that the Grizzlies have one of the worst FO in the league - ZBO to Grizz

                            Looks like AI could now be headed to Chicago in a sign-and-trade: http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.co...=rss_blogs_NBA

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                            • #44
                              Re: Proof that the Grizzlies have one of the worst FO in the league - ZBO to Grizz

                              Originally posted by Smoothdave1 View Post
                              Looks like AI could now be headed to Chicago in a sign-and-trade: http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.co...=rss_blogs_NBA
                              I still have no idea why AI would even want to do this. I guess that he would be a Starter for the Bulls playing ahead of Salmons and Hinrich.....but I would think that he would have as much of a chance as the Starter ( if not equal chance at returning to the Playoffs )....either as a Starting PG or SG under Brown with Bobcats. At least with the Bobcats, there's a clearer leadership role that he will have....whereas with the Bulls he'll be competing with Rose for the Leadership role on the team.

                              Also, the Pistons would have to gain something from this if they were to sign off on it.
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                              • #45
                                Re: Proof that the Grizzlies have one of the worst FO in the league - ZBO to Grizz

                                Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                                I still have no idea why AI would even want to do this. I guess that he would be a Starter for the Bulls playing ahead of Salmons and Hinrich.....but I would think that he would have as much of a chance as the Starter ( if not equal chance at returning to the Playoffs )....either as a Starting PG or SG under Brown with Bobcats. At least with the Bobcats, there's a clearer leadership role that he will have....whereas with the Bulls he'll be competing with Rose for the Leadership role on the team.

                                Also, the Pistons would have to gain something from this if they were to sign off on it.
                                I can only guess that the Bulls would look for someone to provide scoring in place of Ben Gordon. Is AI the best fit? I don't know about that, but he may come in and kill the chemistry in Chicago.

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