The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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7-5 Grizzlies Blueprint

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  • 7-5 Grizzlies Blueprint

    Monday, July 5, 2004

    By Chad Ford
    ESPN Insider

    Jerry West has one thing on his mind this summer. . . and it's a whopper.

    "Our primary goal is for a big guy. Our primary wish is for a big guy," Grizzlies president Jerry West said. "We're going to try to be aggressive. We have to go get our coach (Hubie Brown) another player that will help make a difference."

    Over the course of the last two seasons, West has worked miracles in Memphis. He has, brick-by-brick, rebuilt one of the sorriest franchises in the league. Whether it was the hiring of Hubie Brown, the new professionalism that he's infused within the entire franchise or role players like James Posey who he's helped turn into stars, the Grizzlies have become the Pistons of the West -- a starless, selfless team that values teamwork, depth and playing the right way over everything else.

    A stunning 50-32 record last season landed them their first-ever appearance in the playoffs. Brown took home coach of the year honors. West walked away with the executive of the year award.

    However, all of it provided little solace to either Brown or West when the team was swept by the Spurs in the first round of the playoffs. The rout exposed the Grizzlies' two biggest weaknesses -- a physical dominating presence in the middle and a point guard willing to play tough defense. Tony Parker drove to the basket at will virtually untouched despite the fact that the Grizzlies knew that getting physical with Parker usually shuts him down. They also had no answer inside for Tim Duncan or even Rasho Nesterovic.

    West didn't build this team to win 50 games. He wants to win a championship. Can he use his depth to acquire that elusive big man who has escaped him since he left the Lakers? Here's a look at what to expect as Insider continues its summer blueprint series.

    Grizzlies Summer Blueprint

    DRAFT: The Grizzlies traded away their first-round pick last season as part of the trade that sent Bonzi Wells to Memphis. No matter. There was only one guy who West really had his heart set on -- Texas Tech's Andre Emmett -- and the Grizzlies picked him up in the second round.

    The Grizzlies had fallen hard for Emmett pretty early in the process and actually tried to move up into the first round to get him. When he slipped into the second round, the Grizzlies pounced. Emmett was one of the top scorers in college basketball last season. He can drive to the hole on anyone and has a nice-looking mid-range game. His only weakness is his deep shot.

    The team also picked up a local product, Antonio Burks, who many teams were pretty high on. Burks is a tough, physical point guard who should immediately be the team's best defender at the point. Sergei Lishouk, a native of the Ukraine, was also drafted, though he'll be kept over in Europe for the next few years to develop.

    Overall, the Grizzlies did a good job of finding value in the second round. However, the addition of Burks and Emmett were pretty duplicative of the guys they drafted in the first round last year -- Troy Bell and Dahntay Jones. Neither of those guys played last season. Will Burks and Emmett ever see the light of day? If the Grizzlies pull off the trades they'd like to make, the answer could be yes.

    FREE AGENCY: The Grizzlies have one big free agent they want to re-sign and one bigger free agent on the open market who they'd like to sign. The key will be getting them both in Grizzlies uniforms next season.

    Stromile Swift hit restricted free agency last week, and all indications out of Memphis are that the team wants him back and will match any offer sheet for him. Swift started just 10 games for the team last season and averaged just 9.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg and 1.5 bpg. But he did it in under 20 mpg.

    Why would the Grizzlies be obsessed with keeping a guy at any price with those numbers -- especially one who has been in Brown's dog house repeatedly? Because the Grizzlies see the same thing 15 other teams wooing Swift right now do. He's a rare athlete who gets up the floor super fast, has offensive skills and can change the pace of the game with his defense. On most teams, Swift would get a lot more blow. In Memphis he won't, but it doesn't make him less valuable.

    The guy the Grizzlies are working overtime for is Warriors free agent Erick Dampier. Last summer, West believed that he had a three-way trade in place between the Warriors, Pistons and Grizzlies that would've landed Dampier in Memphis. The trade talks progressed to the point that the teams were ready to schedule a trade call with the league only to be thwarted by the New England blackout that took place last summer. As things waited over the weekend, the trade fell apart and the Grizzlies were forced to scramble.

    This year, with Dampier an unrestricted free agent, they're crossing their fingers that they're in the drivers seat this time. Dampier wants to play in Memphis.

    "I have a lot of friends there, and it will be close to home," Dampier said last week. "Plus, I like the fact that they're an up-and-coming team. If they had a center, maybe they would have advanced in the playoffs."

    However, he'd prefer for the two sides to work out a sign-and-trade so that he can earn more money. Right now, the most the Grizzlies could offer Dampier is a six-year, $40 million contract. With a sign-and-trade, Dampier could make more.

    The Grizzlies appear to have the pieces in place to make the trade. However, it's believed that the Warriors are holding out for Swift to be included in the deal. If the Grizzlies give him a starting salary of about $5.5 million a year, he won't become a base-year compensation player, making him available to trade. That might be too much for the Grizzlies to swallow. Their vision of a dominating front line includes both Swift and Dampier. Given Dampier's age and history of injuries, giving up Swift might be too high of a price to pay.

    After Dampier, the market begins to fall a little flat. Vlade Divac is the best veteran center available, but he's a much shorter-term fix for the Grizzlies. Boston's Mark Blount showed major promise last year with the Celtics, but was he a one-hit wonder?

    TRADES: If Dampier isn't available, there's been lots of talk that West would go after his old center, Shaquille O'Neal. The Grizzlies are one of the few teams that appear to be, on paper, deep enough to swallow Shaq's contract.

    The problem is that trading for Shaq would sap the Grizzlies of the very thing that made them special last year -- depth and a relentless 48-minute-a-night attack. For the Grizzlies to get Shaq, they'd have to give up their best player, Pau Gasol, and an assortment of role players, including Lorenzen Wright, Bo Outlaw and likely Bonzi Wells and Earl Watson. While the Grizzlies would still have plenty of good players left on their roster, no one appears willing to alter that foundation of the team that dramatically.

    That doesn't mean, however, that the Grizzlies won't be trading. In addition to trying to hammer out a sign-and-trade for Dampier, the team would like to package some of its depth for one more solid player. Again, the preference is a big man. Currently, the team has eight guards on its active roster. There's no way they're going into the season like that.

    Gasol seems to be the only guy on the roster who's untouchable, though it's clear that the team would love to keep Posey and Mike Miller around. After that, any combination of players might give the Grizzlies the last missing piece they're looking for.

    Another big target for the Grizzlies is the Bulls' Eddy Curry. A combo of Posey and a re-signed Swift could probably land them Curry -- but that may be too high of a price for the Grizzlies to pay.

    COACHING: Hubie Brown is a miracle worker. His coaching of the year honor last year was well deserved. In the course of one full season, he taught the Grizzlies how to play team basketball. It was an amazing transformation and Brown deserved most of the credit.

    He's got a job in Memphis as long as he wants it. However, he told Insider last year that once his contract is up at the end of next season, there's a good chance that he'll retire. Age is a major factor here. Brown has already accomplished so much in Memphis. Whenever he decides to retire, after next season or 10 years from now, his turnaround of the Grizzlies will be his crowning achievement as a coach. The only issue? Who in the world could replace him?

    FRONT OFFICE: West has been great for Memphis, though he obviously hasn't been flawless. His first two drafts for the Grizzlies were just so-so. He passed on Amare Stoudemire in favor of Drew Gooden and last season picked up two players -- Troy Bell and Dahntay Jones -- who never played. But he's even turned his mistakes into strengths. West was able to parlay Gooden into Mike Miller the minute he saw that Gooden wasn't the right player for the Grizzlies. He may yet use Bell or Jones in a trade that gets them their big man.

    He's had other successes as well. He picked up James Posey for the mid-level exception last year while opposing GMs rolled their eyes. The conventional wisdom was that West overpaid for Posey, known then as little more than a defensive stopper. The CW now? Posey was the best free-agent bargain on the market last year. Adding Bo Outlaw and Bonzi Wells to the mix were also big improvements to the team.

    But West's best move was hiring Brown. He was the perfect coach for that team. At the time, West may have been the only guy on the planet to see it. Like Brown, he's got a job in Memphis as long as he wants it, though he claims that he too may step down soon, especially if Brown retires.

    Regardless of what happens to the Grizzlies next season, West's tenure here will always be remembered as a success. Getting this team to the playoffs while still handcuffed with bad contracts and salary restraints was as impressive as anything he's done in his career. A deep playoff run would be nothing but icing at this point.

    Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.
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