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Oklahoma City Moving #3 Pick?

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  • Oklahoma City Moving #3 Pick?

    Oklahoma City may be looking to move down in order to draft BJ Mullens. Detroit is the main suitor offering Amir Johnson and the 15th. The Pacers could put together a better deal with the 13th and Foster. Acquiring the 3rd pick could give the Pacers their pick between Rubio or Thabeet.

    http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...June-2nd-3241/

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    Re: Oklahoma City Moving #3 Pick

    While the 13th pick in the draft would be better than the 15th pick I am not sure that Jeff Foster in his 30's clearly on the decline physically with an extended contract would be better than young Amir Johnson.

    If it were a one year rental for either player, maybe, but right now Amir will receive around 3.6 mil for next season while Jeff will be getting 12.6 million for the next two.

    Memphis is nothing if not worried about the bottom line.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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      Re: Oklahoma City Moving #3 Pick

      This doesn't say anything about the 3rd pick:

      With the Detroit Pistons looking to get as far under the salary cap as they can this summer, and the Oklahoma City Thunder being one of the few teams who are able to help them shed salary, the two teams have emerged as natural trade partners, multiple NBA sources told DraftExpress this past weekend.

      With very few teams projected to have cap space this summer (Oklahoma City, Memphis, Portland, Sacramento and Atlanta being the main ones), it appears that Detroit could be in great position to take advantage of the strength of this free agent class and nab a couple of pieces that would put them right back in the mix to compete for the Eastern conference finals. Detroit is currently slated to be around 20 million dollars underneath the cap, but could shed another five million or so by unloading the contracts of Amir Johnson and their first round pick (#15).

      Enter the Oklahoma City Thunder. They are reportedly high on B.J. Mullens (as is Milwaukee), and likely would be able to nab him with the 15th pick. Considering how far under the cap they’ll be this summer, they would have no problem taking on Amir Johnson’s expiring 3.66 million dollar contract. They should be able to find a suitor for their late first round pick if they choose to do so, as teams like San Antonio, Houston, Toronto and Orlando are all in the market for a draft choice in that range.

      With the money Detroit frees up, they could go after their top two free agent targets, rumored to be Paul Millsap and Ben Gordon.
      It just says the Pistons are looking to dump salary, and OKC can help them. It's non-specific about what OKC would give back, but I'm guessing a future draft pick.

      The $5mm the article says they'd save assumes that they wouldn't have a draft pick...in fact, getting back the #3 would almost completely offset that savings.

      There's no way they're getting the #3 for Amir Johnson & #15...and there's no way we're getting it for Foster & #13.

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        Re: Oklahoma City Moving #3 Pick

        Originally posted by Peck View Post
        Memphis is nothing if not worried about the bottom line.
        It's OKC.

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          Re: Oklahoma City Moving #3 Pick

          Originally posted by count55 View Post
          It's OKC.
          See? You're always debating.

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            Re: Oklahoma City Moving #3 Pick

            Originally posted by count55 View Post
            This doesn't say anything about the 3rd pick:
            It just says the Pistons are looking to dump salary, and OKC can help them. It's non-specific about what OKC would give back, but I'm guessing a future draft pick.

            The $5mm the article says they'd save assumes that they wouldn't have a draft pick...in fact, getting back the #3 would almost completely offset that savings.

            There's no way they're getting the #3 for Amir Johnson & #15...and there's no way we're getting it for Foster & #13.
            Oh...I get it.....the Pistons are looking for some Team to take on Amir's Expiring Contract and one of the few teams that would take on Amir's contract without sending back additional salary is OKC. But the cost for taking on Amir's contract would be the 15th pick.

            Not bad.....OKC basically absorb Amir's contract and take the 15th pick while sending back a TPE to the Pistons....which would only free up even more Capspace for the Pistons to spend in FA. The Pistons get space to spend on more FA....and OKC gets 2 tradeable assets...and Expiring Contract that they can use later ( if they choose ) and the 15th pick.....a prime spot to still get a decent rotational player in the draft.

            See what having Financial/SalaryCap flexibility gets you? It not only gives you the option to try and sign FA ( if they choose to go to Indy ) and it gives your Team more options to improve your Team.
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              Re: Oklahoma City Moving #3 Pick

              "OKC moving #3 Pick...TO SEATTLE"

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                Re: Oklahoma City Moving #3 Pick

                Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                Oh...I get it.....the Pistons are looking for some Team to take on Amir's Expiring Contract and one of the few teams that would take on Amir's contract without sending back additional salary is OKC. But the cost for taking on Amir's contract would be the 15th pick.

                Not bad.....OKC basically absorb Amir's contract and take the 15th pick while sending back a TPE to the Pistons....which would only free up even more Capspace for the Pistons to spend in FA. The Pistons get space to spend on more FA....and OKC gets 2 tradeable assets...and Expiring Contract that they can use later ( if they choose ) and the 15th pick.....a prime spot to still get a decent rotational player in the draft.

                See what having Financial/SalaryCap flexibility gets you? It not only gives you the option to try and sign FA ( if they choose to go to Indy ) and it gives your Team more options to improve your Team.
                My question is couldn't we do the same thing with QUis by extending his contract one year then trading him to OKC for the 3rd pick?

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                  Re: Oklahoma City Moving #3 Pick

                  Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                  My question is couldn't we do the same thing with QUis by extending his contract one year then trading him to OKC for the 3rd pick?
                  Of course you could legally do that under the cap, but what incentive would OKC have to do that?

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                    Re: Oklahoma City Moving #3 Pick

                    Originally posted by d_c View Post
                    Of course you could legally do that under the cap, but what incentive would OKC have to do that?

                    IF all they want is a salary dump and a quality player then why not for a 2/3 guard. I admit that I have no clue who Amirs is but it sounds like the OCK 3rd pick is cheap.

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                      Re: Oklahoma City Moving #3 Pick

                      Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                      IF all they want is a salary dump and a quality player then why not for a 2/3 guard. I admit that I have no clue who Amirs is but it sounds like the OCK 3rd pick is cheap.
                      Read count's post again.

                      The title of this thread is misleading and in fact should be fixed. It has nothing to do with the #3 pick in the draft. It's been reported that OKC is looking to acquire Mullens but nowhere does the Draft Express article talk about OKC trading down from the #3 pick.

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                        Re: Oklahoma City Moving #3 Pick

                        Originally posted by d_c View Post
                        Read count's post again.

                        The title of this thread is misleading and in fact should be fixed. It has nothing to do with the #3 pick in the draft. It's been reported that OKC is looking to acquire Mullens but nowhere does the Draft Express article talk about OKC trading down from the #3 pick.
                        You're right on here, at least about the linked and quoted article.

                        Not to muddy the waters, but I have read that OKC is looking to move down because they really want to draft Stephen Curry.
                        "A man with no belly has no appetite for life."

                        - Salman Rushdie

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                          Re: Oklahoma City Moving #3 Pick

                          Originally posted by duke dynamite View Post
                          "OKC moving #3 Pick...TO SEATTLE"
                          Hilarious!

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                            Re: Oklahoma City Moving #3 Pick

                            Originally posted by count55 View Post
                            It's OKC.
                            Originally posted by maragin View Post
                            See? You're always debating.
                            Yeah...that was kind of a dick post (my post)...I was in correction mode, and I didn't stop in time.
                            Last edited by count55; 06-03-2009, 12:44 PM.

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                              Re: Oklahoma City Moving #3 Pick

                              Originally posted by Gamble1 View Post
                              My question is couldn't we do the same thing with QUis by extending his contract one year then trading him to OKC for the 3rd pick?
                              As d_c pointed out....the title of the article and the initial post itself is misleading. OKC isn't moving the 3rd pick for an Expiring contract ( Amir Johnson ) + 15th pick nor are they looking for an Expiring contract ( since they are under the Salary Cap )....they would take on Amir Johnson + 15th pick while sending back a TPE to Detroit.

                              OKC is essentially buying another 1st round draft pick ( as suggested to possibly draft BJ Mullens at the 15th pick )...but instead of using Cash....they're taking on the Expiring contract of Amir Johnson ( who'll they'll probably try out then waive/buyout if he doesn't work out ) in exchange for the 15th pick. The Pistons want to get Amir's contract off the of the books and is essentially looking to FA ( instead of this years draft ) to improve their team. If this gets done....I think it's a brilliant move on the part of both Teams.....both Teams gets soemthing that they want out of this.
                              Last edited by CableKC; 06-03-2009, 12:49 PM.
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