The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

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Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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Bender's year in review

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    2003 in Review:

    Jonathan Bender

    Height: 7-0 Weight: 219 Age: 23 (1/30/81)

    Regular Season: He started the season on the injured list, missing the first 39 games of the season due to off-season surgery on his left knee. ...

    Returned to the injured list on Jan. 23 and missed seven games with post-operative soreness in the knee ...

    Had another stint on the injured list, from 3/24 to 4/9, missing nine games due to a right shoulder sprain ...

    He averaged 7.0 ppg for the season, scoring in 19 of his 21 appearances. ...

    Had eight double-figure outings, including a season-high 16 points at Boston, 3/12…Three of those outings were in consecutive wins from 2/20 to 2/24, when he had 11 points at Washington, 11 points vs. Utah and 12 points vs. Golden State. ...

    Had the best shooting season of his career, setting season career-highs in all three shooting categories ...

    he shot 50-106 (.472) FGS, 9-22 (.409) 3-pt FGS and 39-47 (.830) FTS.

    Playoffs: Played all six games of conference finals against Detroit, averaging 9.3 points and 2.7 points ...

    Averaged 3.5 points in the second round against Miami ....

    Had some big moments in the first round against Boston ... Tied for the team lead in scoring with a playoff career-best 19 points in Game 3 at Boston, 4/23…His six field goals made, 12 field goals attempted, five free throws made and attempted in that game were also playoff career-highs. ... Added a playoff career-high seven rebounds to lead the bench in Game 2 and played a playoff career-high 28 minutes in Game 2. ... Tied a postseason career-high with two blocked shots in Game 3 at Boston, 4/23, and he was second on the team with four blocked shots in the series. ... Hit at least one 3-pt FG in each of the last three games and shot 4-9 from long range (.444) in the series with the Celtics

    Plus-Minus: Ranked 13th during the regular season at -0.8 per game ... Was ninth during the playoffs at +0.5 per game

    Contract Status: Signed through 2006-07

    Analysis: Instead of a breakout season, it was another breakdown season for Bender, who has appeared in a total of 67 games in the past two seasons. He continues to show incredible bursts of potential and can take over a game in brief spurts but has yet to approach the needed consistency and durability to become a regular contributor.

    He has gotten stronger and showed a much more aggressive posture when he was healthy, both positive trends. If moves are made at small forward, serious playing time could be made available next season. It'll be up to him to not only earn, but keep, a bigger role.

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    • #3
      Re: Bender's year in review

      Which did he average against Detroit (9.3 or 2.7 points)?
      "If I have the ball, I will shoot it, you have to believe that," - Stephen Jackson


      • #4
        Re: Bender's year in review

        Probably 9.3 pts and 2.7 boards.

        I didn't realize he had missed THAT much time the past two years.


        • #5
          Re: Bender's year in review

          Originally posted by PHC
          Which did he average against Detroit (9.3 or 2.7 points)?

          Bender has never given any indication that he can be effective when teams guard him tightly.
          The poster formerly known as Rimfire


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            Re: Bender's year in review

            Originally posted by PHC
            Which did he average against Detroit (9.3 or 2.7 points)?

            Could it be 9.3 minures and 2.7 points?

            Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.


            "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

            -John Wooden


            • #7
              Re: Bender's year in review

              I think I have myself a sig...:P

              " Instead of a breakout season, it was another breakdown season for Bender"

              Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.


              "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."

              -John Wooden


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                Re: Bender's year in review

                " Instead of a breakout season, it was another breakdown season for Bender"

                Somehow it wouldn;t surprise me if it happened again.
                Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.


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                  If Bender is healthy next season, and gets 25 - 30 minutes per game, I think he'll average 15 points per game easy, and he'll be a matchup nightmare for every team in the league. I believe that


                  • #10
                    Re: Bender's year in review

                    Originally posted by Unclebuck
                    If Bender is healthy next season, and gets 25 - 30 minutes per game, I think he'll average 15 points per game easy, and he'll be a matchup nightmare for every team in the league. I believe that

                    "If" is the key word. If Bender could stay healthy. If he was healthy this year, he coudl have gotten that many points. But I have no idea whether or not he can stay healthy.
                    Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.


                    • #11
                      Re: Bender's year in review

                      Count me as an optimist, but I believe Bender is going to be a star in a few years, maybe not on a par with O'Neal but much better than Harrington. He'll put up offensive numbers comparable to what Artest has this past year. His injuries are attributable to his body still developing and getting bigger.


                      • #12
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                        With health and consistant minutes, he will soon have Garnett-like impact.

                        I view it much like my typing skills. For many years I was a lousy typist. I could give you a few seconds of flurry but then I'd stop and say "wow, what am I doing?? I can't type." And I'd be back to tap, tap, tap. Then my job changed and I HAD to type. Now I can be respectable at it. Same with JB, he's got to learn how to do it, and until he HAS to, he can't.
                        Give him the minutes and the responsibility and THEN see what he does. Until then he's being allowed to fail.
                        Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.


                        • #13
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                          "....can take over a game in brief spurts...."

                          Let's don't get carried away. When someone is open and drives for dunk... that's not called taking over a game. Or occassionally hitting 2-3 consecutive dunk shots within a couple of minutes..... that's not called taking over a game.

                          I've been as hard on Bender as anyone. I will admit that I've finally seen some progress in Bender this season. A little more aggression. A defense that enables him to at least serve some purpose. A simpler offense that he is not totally lost in.

                          But I really haven't seen enough of anything that would get me anxious about monitoring his progress next season.... or even seeing him in a Pacer uniform, for that matter.

                          Certainly not like Freddie. Freddie's defense is a constant. He does a decent job of slashing to the basket, and his perimeter shot and mid-range game really came around the last half to last third of the season.

                          Now about Freddie.... I'm very excited about seeing how much he might improve over the summer..... I believe it is possible that Freddie could have a BREAK-OUT season next year because he has shown me something with an acceptable degree of consistency.

                          Bender, on the other hand? FIVE feakin' years and through all the injuries, through all the clue-less games, he just now is showing a little. But with no continued degree of consistency.

                          He did show a little bit in the playoffs. But you put that with what he did during the last two seasons, and I can't say I'd be sad if he weren't with us next season. And I wouldn't be sad if he were with us at the start of the season to see if he's made progress.

                          But as far as I'm concerned, if it takes more than Al to complete a trade, and Pollard won't get it done, Bender is the guy I'd throw in. Certainly before Croshere, and even before Freddie.


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                            Re: Bender's year in review

                            Originally posted by beast23
                            Certainly before Croshere...
                            So your saying you'd rather keep Croshere, at twice Bender's salary?

                            Come to the Dark Side -- There's cookies!


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                              Re: Bender's year in review

                              Twice? Not hardly.

                              Next season Croshere $8.2M, Bender $6.4M.

                              I'd keep Croshere because right now he's twice the player, though.

                              Bender playing behind Artest will get very few minutes at SF.

                              Bender is not capable of playing both ends of the floor as an SG.

                              Bender is not capable of playing either end of the floor at PF. And quite frankly, Croshere is a significantly better interior player than Bender.

                              So, yes. I'd take one Croshere over 5 Benders.