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Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:

http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

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We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.

Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

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Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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Inside report on Harrison from my Nephew

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  • Inside report on Harrison from my Nephew

    My nephew was an athlete at Harrison's high school, Brentwood Academy in Nashville, and knew him personally. Here's the report:

    1. Nice guy, funny personality. Intelligent. Made As and Bs at a prestigious prep school. Did have a mischevious side to his personality that led to pranks, etc.

    2. He definitely has a tendency to whine and he had a bit of a short fuse in high school, on and off the court. But its expected that he'll get over it in the NBA.

    3. Played football for a state championship team in spite of the fact that the bball coaches urged him not to. He wanted to contribute and did. A real competitor. Passionate, aggressive defensive end and tight end. Played through injuries.

    4. Is a good public speaker. One time a senior died in a four wheel accident. He gave a powerful eulogy.

    5. He's never played for a good coach -- definitely not in high school and others agree the same for Colorado. With good coaching, he could really blossom.

    6. On work ethic: was lazy his Freshman and sophomore year of high school, but began working hard in the summers the last two years and developed skills to win a state championship in basketball.

    7. His dad was a football coach at Vanderbilt. His mom is a teacher in the public schools. They are divorced. Vanderbilt basketball was very, very interested in nabbing him but failed -- as did Kentucky, UNC, etc. -- but he followed his brother to Colorado, as other reports have indicated.
    "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference


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    Re: Inside report on Harrison from my Nephew

    Wow. I've almost done a 180 on my feelings about this guy. I'm almost excited.

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      Re: Inside report on Harrison from my Nephew

      Chad Ford of ESPN insider gave the Pacers draft a grade of B.

      Saying that the pacers were flooded with calls from other teams at the last minute who were trying to get this guy.

      If there would not have been some real and perceived attitude problems he would have been a lottery pick

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        Re: Inside report on Harrison from my Nephew

        Originally posted by Hicks
        Wow. I've almost done a 180 on my feelings about this guy. I'm almost excited.
        I thought about running a thread last night having everyone put down their first reactions. Should have.

        I knew nothing about him, other than some forum members were down on him. However, I always make up my own mind, so I just thought I would wait and see.

        If he works as hard as he says he's going to work I think we will have stole him. Nobody doubts he has the tools.

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        • #5
          Re: Inside report on Harrison from my Nephew

          If Harrison doesn't have a nickname yet I'd like to toss one out for what it's worth.

          He was described as having small hands and short arms. Well if thats true he sounds like he has the body of a T-Rex.

          You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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            Re: Inside report on Harrison from my Nephew

            He looked fat to me, and I mean fat, not phat

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            • #7
              Re: Inside report on Harrison from my Nephew

              See now, everyone sees bad attitude and bad work ethic and immediately throws this guy to the wolves without even ever seeing him play.

              This is probably one of the bigger steals in the draft. Think of what this guy can do to take pressure off of JO.

              Do we still have anyone to teach big men like we use to?

              I'm just saying that those two things can be fixed. It's not like you can't teach someone a better work ethic, that might give him a better attittude.
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                Re: Inside report on Harrison from my Nephew

                We will probably keep him for a year and trade him to Sacramento for a second round pick five years from now.

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                  Re: Inside report on Harrison from my Nephew

                  Originally posted by Unclebuck
                  Chad Ford of ESPN insider gave the Pacers draft a grade of B.

                  Saying that the pacers were flooded with calls from other teams at the last minute who were trying to get this guy.
                  I'm a bit confused here. If another team wanted him, they could have gotten him anytime before the "last minute", all they had to do was draft him themselves. They all had their shot before us (well, most did, at least).

                  I like that he's a big body. That was definitely one of our biggest needs.

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                    Re: Inside report on Harrison from my Nephew

                    I guess we just need to hope and pray that the scouting report was very very far off base.

                    As someone pointed out last night The Pacers are pretty good at late picks being better than expected. I just hope they got it right with this one. If not well he was the last pick in the first round after all so no huge loss.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Inside report on Harrison from my Nephew

                      Originally posted by Unclebuck
                      He looked fat to me, and I mean fat, not phat


                      He did look a little chubby and slow.

                      BTW UB, we need John Candy back. Really.
                      Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Inside report on Harrison from my Nephew

                        His dad was also in the NFL, he was in the Pro-Bowl.

                        I'm with hicks, after reading up on him my feelings have completley changed on him.

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                          Re: Inside report on Harrison from my Nephew

                          He reminds me of Felton Spencer. Or was it Selton Fencer. The guy who played at Loiusvile and later for the T-Wolvbes and a few other teams

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                            Re: Inside report on Harrison from my Nephew

                            I'm really getting kinda excited about the guy. I'd really like to see if this guy has what it takes to challenge Pollard and Jeff for some serious mins. I do like his stat line and size...He scored 17 ppg in college versus Peanut Butter's 15 ppg against Euro scrubs. He already has that scrub beat. Heck, they say he does have soft hands, so he already has Pollard beat. Does the guy have a trusty jumper?

                            Yeah, the guy may have a bit of a chip on his shoulder, but Larry B. has a foot to put square in his arse if he gets outta line.
                            He may be fat and slow, but hey... maybe with the right motivation this guy will get that weight in all the right places.

                            I have a good feeling about the guy, so I will give him a shot.
                            ...Still "flying casual"
                            @roaminggnome74

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                              Re: Inside report on Harrison from my Nephew

                              Originally posted by Roaming
                              I'm really getting kinda excited about the guy. I'd really like to see if this guy has what it takes to challenge Pollard and Jeff for some serious mins. I do like his stat line and size...He scored 17 ppg in college versus Peanut Butter's 15 ppg against Euro scrubs. He already has that scrub beat. Heck, they say he does have soft hands, so he already has Pollard beat. Does the guy have a trusty jumper?

                              Yeah, the guy may have a bit of a chip on his shoulder, but Larry B. has a foot to put square in his arse if he gets outta line.
                              He may be fat and slow, but hey... maybe with the right motivation this guy will get that weight in all the right places.

                              I have a good feeling about the guy, so I will give him a shot.

                              I've heard about maybe 14' from the bucket. So not bad.

                              And also, if there is anyone in this league who can get his butt into gear, it is Larry.
                              Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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