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Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

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  • #16
    Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

    Originally posted by Quis View Post
    From what I've seen, Hibbert has a Duncan-esque feel to him. Now before the annoying posters go crazy, l'm not comparing their skill levels just their styles. Hibbert has that intelligent poise to him and the same fundamentals you see out of a Tim Duncan, which is why I think he'll still be a damn good center despite his sub-par athleticism. Hard to believe that after all of the brain-dead athletic freaks that have flopped that skill and intelligence would become so underrated.
    Yes, he has that...I don't know what to call it...deliberateness...calm yet aggressive intelligence...good head out thereness...big fundamentalness...

    Ok, I will say it: Duncan-esque. Now, let the thread go wild...
    Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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    • #17
      Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

      Originally posted by Anthem View Post
      Do you think Hibbert's ready for an 82-game season? Most rookies aren't.

      I think if you start him and give him 25+ mpg right now, the dude crashes by the ASB.
      This.

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      • #18
        Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

        I like what i see from the Big Man, but as said before, i'd prefer to see him comming of the bench and learning his trade against other teams second unit..

        Better for his confidence and his body...

        the dude has ten years (hopefully) to Start for Us... just get them double doubles Franchise
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        • #19
          Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

          Originally posted by CableKC View Post
          I don't mean to ask....but did you decide to essentially trade Granger for the type of PF that you are looking for based off of the 3 Preseason Games that Rush and Hibbert had?

          Don't get me wrong....I like what Rush did in that one game against the Bulls......and what Hibbert has done in the last 3 games...but I'm not ready to trade Granger given their performance.
          No, none of this is based on the preseason games. What it's based on is giving these two rookies plenty of time this year, throwing them into the fire in what will be an otherwise mediocre year, and see where it leads them. I'm saying after a full season you can get an inkling of what direction they can help take the franchise. Trading Granger or even Dunleavy wasn't an idea to do right now, only after getting a strong does of Hibbert and Rush throughout this year.
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          • #20
            Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

            Originally posted by Jim R View Post
            No, none of this is based on the preseason games. What it's based on is giving these two rookies plenty of time this year, throwing them into the fire in what will be an otherwise mediocre year, and see where it leads them. I'm saying after a full season you can get an inkling of what direction they can help take the franchise. Trading Granger or even Dunleavy wasn't an idea to do right now, only after getting a strong does of Hibbert and Rush throughout this year.
            Regardless of how they do.....I would think that it would make more sense to build around the likes of Granger, Rush and Hibbert. Also, given the way that JO'Bs offense works.....IMHO one that is better suited with our primary scoring coming from the PG/SG/SF positions.....I don't think that there is a requirement to have a Low-Post threat at the PF/C positions.

            Although it's nice to have a very solid Low Post scoring threat at the PF spot....I would think this is more of a "want" as opposed to a "need". On top of that....hopefully Hibbert's progression will eventually make him the Low Post threat that we need at the PF/C rotation.
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            • #21
              Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

              like most have already said, i disagree with starting hibbert. he has shown some promising stuff but, bringing him along at about 15-20 min would be much better for him (imo). hitting the wall by mid season isn't what we need. rasho is a quality big with more experience and stamina at this point. we got him for this year, it would be silly to waste it. let him get the bulk of the minutes and have roy take up the slack. throwing a guy into the fire can have negative ramifications like hitting the wall, losing confidence etc. i think roy will be a fine player but i still think he needs more time to develop (especially in conditioning) before he is truly ready for the responsibility to be the main guy down low at this point.
              let him earn his time as he should. i never believe guys should ever be given a job until they have earned it.

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              • #22
                Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

                Originally posted by clownskull View Post
                like most have already said, i disagree with starting hibbert. he has shown some promising stuff but, bringing him along at about 15-20 min would be much better for him (imo). hitting the wall by mid season isn't what we need. rasho is a quality big with more experience and stamina at this point. we got him for this year, it would be silly to waste it. let him get the bulk of the minutes and have roy take up the slack. throwing a guy into the fire can have negative ramifications like hitting the wall, losing confidence etc. i think roy will be a fine player but i still think he needs more time to develop (especially in conditioning) before he is truly ready for the responsibility to be the main guy down low at this point.
                let him earn his time as he should. i never believe guys should ever be given a job until they have earned it.

                Who says because Hibbert starts it means he has to play 30-35 minutes a game?

                Who says him hitting the rookie wall wastes him? To me this year is already a wash, as a mediocre year means a first round exit or a bad lottery pick.

                Hibbert played a Georgetown. He knows what big time basketball competition is like. If he loses confidence in the heat of the fire, he won't be good enough for the Pacers to get over the hump.

                Rookies which lose confidence are the ones who rarely play. You know, the ones in Larry Brown's systems. Rookies which confidence are the ones without a veteran presence. He can start, play 20-25 minutes per game, and be groomed all at once. I want him up against a team's starters every game he plays in. That's the best way to develop him. It's not to say he spends every minute doing it or plays as long as normal starters do.




                Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                Regardless of how they do.....I would think that it would make more sense to build around the likes of Granger, Rush and Hibbert. Also, given the way that JO'Bs offense works.....IMHO one that is better suited with our primary scoring coming from the PG/SG/SF positions.....I don't think that there is a requirement to have a Low-Post threat at the PF/C positions.

                Although it's nice to have a very solid Low Post scoring threat at the PF spot....I would think this is more of a "want" as opposed to a "need". On top of that....hopefully Hibbert's progression will eventually make him the Low Post threat that we need at the PF/C rotation.

                Show me a team which won a championship without a true low post presence in the last 50 years, and I'll show you a team which played great defense. Not to say those teams with a low post presence didn't also play great defense, but Pistons teams and Bulls teams were great defensive teams. In the case of the Bulls, they had Jordan.

                I'm not sure the Pacers have any of those ingredients right now. I would mold this team after the Pacers' teams which made the finals or even the conference finals. A low post threat is pretty appealing, and as exciting as JOB's offense is, the last I checked the Phoenix just scrapped the entire system with much talent than the Pacers have had in the last four years.
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                • #23
                  Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

                  The preseason isn't the regular season. It happens every year - severla players look really good in October and then struggle during the regular season when teams prepare for players, when veterans play harder.

                  I hope Hibbert is great - but it is way to early to know what he will become

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                  • #24
                    Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

                    Originally posted by Jim R View Post
                    I want him up against a team's starters every game he plays in. That's the best way to develop him. It's not to say he spends every minute doing it or plays as long as normal starters do.
                    I agree with this. The quickest way for him to develop would be for him to face the best talent out there. Considering that a lot of teams don't even have a decent C themselves, I think he'll do fine - especially against most teams in the east.

                    I also think that he should start but only play about 16-20 minutes a game. Start with Roy and if the game is close and you need that experience in the fourth quarter go with Rasho or Foster. Basically, play Roy at the beginning of the 1st and 3rd quarters of each game and depending on how he plays during those quarters, adjust his minutes accordingly.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

                      Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                      The preseason isn't the regular season. It happens every year - severla players look really good in October and then struggle during the regular season when teams prepare for players, when veterans play harder.

                      I hope Hibbert is great - but it is way to early to know what he will become
                      That's true, but I have some hope for Roy because the reason he's doing well is because he's smart and skilled. When you're 7'2" 275lbs+ with a brain and skills, I'm not sure how much you can shut that down when one of those skills is passing the ball well and part of his intelligence is knowing what is happening on the floor (in terms of what the other players are doing).

                      Sure, there will be plenty of rough games along the way, but to watch him, you sense Roy is not just a pre-season wonder who will disappear.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

                        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                        The preseason isn't the regular season. It happens every year - severla players look really good in October and then struggle during the regular season when teams prepare for players, when veterans play harder.

                        I hope Hibbert is great - but it is way to early to know what he will become
                        To my knowledge, no one has based any of this on preseason results. To me it's not even an issue of this year. I have a much longer view. It's an issue of risk/reward.

                        There is little risk to giving the rookies a good dose of PT, and since neither Foster or Nesterovic have their best days ahead of them, there aren't many reasons to give Hibbert as much time. The only reason I would put Nesterovic in a position to get major minutes is to feature him for a contending team in need of a back-up center. Otherwise, let his contract expire and reap the cap space.
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                        • #27
                          Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

                          I think the pace of the regular season will be too much for Hibbert if he starts. I think having Rasho playing and having Foster and Hibbert coming off of the bench together would be beneficial. Hibbert still struggles to command the boards. Murphy struggles to command them at times. Granger is drifting farther away from the lane to help cause he has to guard the top perimeter player.

                          I think the best person for Roy to be next to is Foster. But that does not work in JOB's system.

                          Listen the preseason is a mirage. If Roy continues to progress throughout the season and his conditioning continues to improve then he may be ready to come in and get more minutes. But that still does not guarantee he will start.

                          Centers in this league are faster than the Aaron Grays Hibbert has faced in the preseason.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

                            Here is what worries me about Rosho, what in the number of times he's been tabbed as a starter has he done which makes him a starter over Foster who has done much more on a per minute basis?

                            Centers in this league are faster than Nesterovic. Again, none of this has anything to do with the preseason performances.
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                            • #29
                              Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

                              Originally posted by Jim R View Post
                              Here is what worries me about Rosho, what in the number of times he's been tabbed as a starter has he done which makes him a starter over Foster who has done much more on a per minute basis?

                              Centers in this league are faster than Nesterovic. Again, none of this has anything to do with the preseason performances.
                              One thing you don't have to question is Rasho's value to a team. His contributions often don't show up in the box score, but he's a very solid player. In comparing him to Foster, I'd say Rasho's post defense is slightly better, and while he may not shoot much or demand the ball much, he has some slight post game, and he's a threat to hit a 15 foot jumper consistently, which Foster isn't. Having Rasho in there opens driving lanes and makes it harder to double, which makes the game much easier for the scorers in this offense. If he's good enough to start for Popovich, he's good enough for me.

                              As for the rookies, I'm really encouraged by their play, but I'd rather see them get backup rotation minutes this year. There's so much that they're adjusting to right now, from the actual level of competition and NBA officiating to being on the road for months at a time and getting home from a place like Portland at 3am and having to play a game the next night. Money, groupies, etc., the NBA rookie has a lot to contend with, so I think it's a good thing to let take it slow at first.

                              For reference, neither Reggie Miller nor Danny Granger started their rookie year, and they turned out ok. Also, neither of them is a Center, which is the slowest position to develop a player at.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Hibbert needs to start, and Rush needs lots of PT...

                                Originally posted by Jim R View Post
                                Here is what worries me about Rosho, what in the number of times he's been tabbed as a starter has he done which makes him a starter over Foster who has done much more on a per minute basis?

                                Centers in this league are faster than Nesterovic. Again, none of this has anything to do with the preseason performances.
                                Rasho's a real center, which we haven't had since Brad left.

                                I'm fine with Jeff in the starting lineup, I just want him at PF.
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