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Jermaine O'Neal heading to Toronto for T.J. Ford, #17 pick. Pacers get Baston, give up pick #41

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  • #16
    Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

    Were this still the DW/Bunny era I'd say this was the formal "hint" to expect the announcement at any time. But in the new era, I'm not so certain...but I'm guessing it is soon to happen officially.
    Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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    • #17
      Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

      Hah.

      I'd like this trade if for no other reason it gets my Dad very upset. I have to hear him joke about JO's injury problems, inconsistency, and albatross contract on a daily basis. He would absolutely go on suicide watch if JO was in a Raptors uniform. I don't see JO fitting in well with the Raptors offense.

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      • #18
        Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

        God, what a terrible trade. Honestly, if that's all that's getting offered up for JO, I'll take my chances on him this year. T.J. Ford is not a long term answer at PG and while Rasho is a nice expiring, I'd want at least one more actual talented player in that deal.

        I'm liking Z/Varejao/19 much more than Rasho/Ford/17.

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        • #19
          Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

          Originally posted by Indy View Post
          The Celtics won a title with Rondo at point, so I wouldn't say never. Ford is solid.
          That is a good point. But we don't have any players as good as any of the Celtics big three. (I would rather have Rondo over Ford anyways) Ford is a defensive liability, although he isn't terrible defensively (better than Deener and Tinsley) I guess, he can push the ball, for sure and he can create for teammates, can get into the lane.

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          • #20
            Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

            Originally posted by dcpacersfan View Post
            God, what a terrible trade. Honestly, if that's all that's getting offered up for JO, I'll take my chances on him this year. T.J. Ford is not a long term answer at PG and while Rasho is a nice expiring, I'd want at least one more actual talented player in that deal.
            I agree although the trade isn't terrible. Depends who they can get at 17. The trade might depend on who is still available at 17

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            • #21
              Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

              Originally posted by Indy View Post
              The Celtics won a title with Rondo at point, so I wouldn't say never. Ford is solid.
              I like Ford's talent but that degenerative spine condition he has makes it seem that he won't last more than five more injury riddled seasons in the league. It's really unfortunate for TJ, too, he's a good player, but I don't want another injury prone guy on the team.

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              • #22
                Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

                Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                I agree although the trade isn't terrible. Depends who they can get at 17. The trade might depend on who is still available at 17
                That would be the only saving grace for me. If we end up with Ford/Chalmers/Rasho/Speights as a result of the trade and the draft I don't think that would be too disappointing.

                Any trade rumor like this just makes me validate myself that the Pacers won't draft D.J. Augustin.

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                • #23
                  Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

                  This would be GREAT! I love TJ Ford's game. And Rasho is a legit 7 footer that would be a nice complement to Foster. I just don't know why Toronto would do this deal. If JO is healthy, he would be a great defensive complement to Bosh. (BIG IF) He wouldn't have to score 20+ points a game, he could focus on defense and rbs.

                  The Pacers could end up with Ford, Rasho, player TBD, #17?

                  And all they have to give is JO? Sounds great and too good to be true.
                  Turn out the lights, this party's over!

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                  • #24
                    Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

                    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                    I'm all for trading JO and I like getting the 17th pick. But I have no interest in Rasho and only have mild interest in Ford. You cannot win a championship or get close with Ford as your starting point guard (although he probably fits pretty well into O'Brien's offensive system). And if we draft Augustin, they we have 3 very small point guards. Diener, Ford and Augustin

                    Rasho is in the last year of his contract. 8.4m
                    Ford has three years left. 8.0 - 8.5 - 8.5.

                    I'm not saying I wouldn't do this trade, but I'm not too excited about it. Probably the most we could get for JO though. I do question why the Raptors do this trade. I know they really, really, really want some help for Bosh inside (the Magic dominated them in the playoffs inside) so I guess that is what they are looking for.

                    Interesting that Wells just updated this (it wasn't in the print addition) so he must think it is something that needs to be up on the website fast. That means to me it carries a little more weight
                    1. This should be one more reason NOT to draft Augustin, because as you say it would mean having three small, but OTOH also very very fast (probably the fastest in the league) PG's, who could get physically abused during the playoffs. I don't see that happenning, but stranger things have occured. Likelier seems we draft two bigs (unless Gordon is around our pick) or shop a collection of first and second round picks to move up or down, loads of sudden flexibility there.

                    2. I don't see our team as a championship contender in the next three years unless we draft a superstar this year or next year (and then still have a hard time believing it), so I'm not too worried about having Ford as a PG in the meantime.

                    3. I think Toronto does it because of the inside prescence JO brings and if he doesn't work out too well he will come of there salarybalance fairly quickly or hope on resigning him for peanuts if it does work. They solve their problem of finding suitors for both Rasho and Ford.

                    4. I hope the added guy won't be Jason Kapono (though JOB probably loves him and his shooting). Praying that that won't work salary wise...

                    Regards,

                    Mourning
                    Last edited by Unclebuck; 06-23-2008, 10:54 AM.
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                    • #25
                      Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

                      Originally posted by Mourning View Post
                      This is a deal I could definitely live with. Rasho comes off the books soon, so we have some money to resign our own players. Ford though risky is IMO a better risk then taking on Livingston, even though his salary is also much bigger. Still I can see him beying pretty decent and you don't have perfect trades in this sort of thing. Best offer IF true and depending on the player that makes it work financially (both in quality and length of contract).

                      Pretty decent midrange pick aswell.

                      I could definitely live with this trade.

                      Regards,

                      Mourning
                      I agree.

                      Is this the first time Mike Wells has reported a possible trade like this? I don't remember the last time he did. Hopefully that means it's more likely.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

                        Originally posted by sweabs View Post
                        Hah.

                        I'd like this trade if for no other reason it gets my Dad very upset. I have to hear him joke about JO's injury problems, inconsistency, and albatross contract on a daily basis. He would absolutely go on suicide watch if JO was in a Raptors uniform.
                        Ohh man, you are E-V-I-L !
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                        • #27
                          Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

                          Originally posted by Indy View Post
                          The Celtics won a title with Rondo at point, so I wouldn't say never. Ford is solid.
                          I was gonna say the same thing but substitute Avery Johnson & the Spurs.
                          The poster formerly known as Rimfire

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                          • #28
                            Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

                            Originally posted by Indy View Post
                            Wait, we can't trade JO til after a certain date anyway right? So I think these rumors with picks involved are probably a whole lotta crap.
                            These trades can happen and be reported on draft night, but just not officially happen until July. I think it would be where it's "done", ESPN would report it as "done", but the NBA might not announce it at the podium because it's not official.

                            Or..... JO may have already signed off on not opting out, and once that happens I think he can be traded early. Maybe.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

                              With JO's knee now fully healed and his warrior determination to help lead a team to a championship, Toronto would be an excellent destination for him. With a Bosh and JO frontline Toronto would have a formidable 1-2 punch to get them to the ECF's and an excellent shot of getting past Boston.

                              Toronto would be foolish not to do this deal.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Wells: JO to Toronto?

                                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                                I agree.

                                Is this the first time Mike Wells has reported a possible trade like this? I don't remember the last time he did. Hopefully that means it's more likely.
                                I don't remember him reporting something like this - although he might have right before one of the trades actually did take place. So I trust Wells that there are advanced discussions of this trade. But I would guess it won't be made until the draft takes place, as the pacers might back out if the player they want is gone at 17. Although I suppose they could do the trade and just take their chances.

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