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Pacers.com: Bird hints at possible moves in NBA Draft

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  • #16
    Re: Pacers.com: Bird hints at possible moves in NBA Draft

    Originally posted by Swingman View Post
    Q. Larry, you’ve had a lot of prominent big guys (work out), McGee, Jordan, Hibbert now and Arthur; how do you break down and analyze that group?
    A. “They’re all very talented big guys. This (Darrell) Arthur is a man. He’s good. The other guys played very well. Obviously, he didn’t play against the other guys. They were all here together but Arthur’s probably got the most skill of any of them. There’s no question."

    That makes me think he's targeting Arthur.
    It made me think the opposite, if he's learned anything from Donnie it means he has no interest in Arthur what-so-ever.

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    • #17
      Re: Pacers.com: Bird hints at possible moves in NBA Draft

      Q. What do guys have a chance to show in workouts like this that maybe they can’t show in their college setting because they have to do certain things to help that team win?
      A. “Right. Here, you can see how athletic they are whereas a lot of places they play in college, some of the teams are so good that kids can’t really do the things they want to do (like) one-on-one and pick-and-pop. Coaches want them to stay down low. You see a number of players come through here that are a lot more athletic than we really thought they are because they were in a structured offense.”

      Makes me think of Hibbert.
      {o,o}
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      • #18
        Re: Pacers.com: Bird hints at possible moves in NBA Draft

        Originally posted by Swingman View Post
        That makes me think he's targeting Arthur.


        That makes me think it's a smokescreen. Like in 2004 when we had the 30th pick and he kept telling everyone who would listen that he really liked Luke Jackson. Later he revealed that Ben Gordon was his true target all along and he had never once mentioned Gordon in any interview.

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        • #19
          Re: Pacers.com: Bird hints at possible moves in NBA Draft

          Good point on possible smokescreen but is Bird as good at that as Walsh was?

          Anyway, too bad we didn't get Ben Gordon.

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          • #20
            Re: Pacers.com: Bird hints at possible moves in NBA Draft

            Larry handled this interview very well. Seriously. He didn't tip his hand and left all his options open. Having said that, I recall last year at this time he told us he was going to get us a really good shooting guard, etc. So far, Larry's best moves have been the moves he didn't make. Nothing wrong with that, per se. I'm hopeful that a #11 pick and a trade of someone like JO for an even better pick (or perhaps a JT for a later 1st round pick) will give us a leg-up obtaining some badly needed athleticism, defense and shooting abilities.

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            • #21
              Re: Pacers.com: Bird hints at possible moves in NBA Draft

              Originally posted by BillS View Post
              Dude, when you're in the Pacers position, the chief objective is to acquire talent. If the best player available is something you already have, then you take it, and trade from your strength.

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              • #22
                Re: Pacers.com: Bird hints at possible moves in NBA Draft

                Originally posted by Los Angeles View Post
                I can't wait until the "we tried to do something more but it didn't work out" interview.

                You can set your watch to it.

                Then there is the "we got the player we really wanted all along" spiel.

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                • #23
                  Re: Pacers.com: Bird hints at possible moves in NBA Draft

                  Originally posted by Swingman View Post
                  Q. How much weight do you put on the workout—
                  A. “I’ve put on quite a bit lately.”


                  Did Larry just say that he put on quite a bit of weight? Time for him to hit the gym

                  Q. Larry, you’ve had a lot of prominent big guys (work out), McGee, Jordan, Hibbert now and Arthur; how do you break down and analyze that group?
                  A. “They’re all very talented big guys. This (Darrell) Arthur is a man. He’s good. The other guys played very well. Obviously, he didn’t play against the other guys. They were all here together but Arthur’s probably got the most skill of any of them. There’s no question.”


                  That makes me think he's targeting Arthur.

                  After reading Bird's response about the weight, I had to go back and re-read the question to be sure what was asked.

                  Speights is who Bird is interested in. He never mentioned his name. He said Arthur was "probably" the most talented. Speights will be available at 11.

                  If Alexander is available, Bird will take him no matter how many SF on the team.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Pacers.com: Bird hints at possible moves in NBA Draft

                    After reading T-bird's analysis on Speights, he is probably who I'd want if no one drops like Granger did.

                    I noticed that he didn't mention Speights but I wasn't sure if he had gone to Indy for a workout so didn't know if he intentionally left him out.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Pacers.com: Bird hints at possible moves in NBA Draft

                      The comment about trying to get another 1st rounder was nice PR. I remember his comment last year about getting a pick to get back into the draft, and he did. Unfortunately it was a 2nd round pick which he used to get Stanko b4 anyone else could get him 1st.

                      Wouldn't it be a hoot, sorry Owl but you did mention this player earlier in another thread, if Bird got a 2nd 1st round pick, after drafting Westbrook, for the Frenchman Ajinca. Bird gets his big and a Euro who can play now instead of having to go back to Europe to season up.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Pacers.com: Bird hints at possible moves in NBA Draft

                        Q. Larry, you’ve had a lot of prominent big guys (work out), McGee, Jordan, Hibbert now and Arthur; how do you break down and analyze that group?
                        A. “They’re all very talented big guys. This (Darrell) Arthur is a man. He’s good. The other guys played very well. Obviously, he didn’t play against the other guys. They were all here together but Arthur’s probably got the most skill of any of them. There’s no question.”

                        That makes me think he's targeting Arthur.[/quote]


                        I love the games these teams play with each other, which is what I think this is. In this case, I think Larry might be playing a mind game with Sacramento.

                        It is rumored (although this could all be smoke as well) that Sacramento worked out Arthur and loved him, and gave him a promise at #12 that he won't slip past them. I believe I read that Arthur promptly canceled workouts with teams picking after Sacramento after he met with the Kings brass.

                        Assuming this is true, and that I am correct in thinking Larry actually has zero interest in Arthur, then it is logical for Larry to put this story out publically, to make the Kings wonder if they will really get their man. In Bird's mind, the ideal scenario would be for Sacramento to feel they have to make a deal with either the Pacers themselves (maybe get a second rounder from the Kings, or more likely get some cash), or for the Kings to feel they have to move up past the Pacers in order to get Arthur, moving up to make a deal with perhaps Charlotte at #9 (I still think they want Rush, although I could be totally wrong) or with New Jersey at #10.

                        If that would work and Sacramento does move up past us and takes Arthur, then that is one less spot we'd have to worry about a team taking the player we REALLY want, whomever that might be.

                        It would be classic cloak and dagger NBA style, and I have no doubt that Larry's statement was carefully planned out just to create the kind of discussion it is creating.

                        At least, that's what I'd be doing if I was in charge.

                        Tbird

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                        • #27
                          Re: Pacers.com: Bird hints at possible moves in NBA Draft

                          Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                          Wouldn't it be a hoot, sorry Owl but you did mention this player earlier in another thread, if Bird got a 2nd 1st round pick

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                          • #28
                            Re: Pacers.com: Bird hints at possible moves in NBA Draft

                            Originally posted by QuickRelease View Post
                            Dude, when you're in the Pacers position, the chief objective is to acquire talent. If the best player available is something you already have, then you take it, and trade from your strength.
                            Yeah, that's why we've always had the exact number of small forwards we need, because we traded away the extras.

                            BillS

                            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                            • #29
                              Re: Pacers.com: Bird hints at possible moves in NBA Draft

                              Sounds very plausible Tbird but posting that might kill the plan lol

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                              • #30
                                Re: Pacers.com: Bird hints at possible moves in NBA Draft

                                I'm in the thinking that Bird knows somebody after them is targeting Arthur, if they are made to believe that the Pacers want Arthur then they may give up something in return. That strategy would give the Pacers an extra pick or player along with the player they are targeting all along, my guess is that would be Augustine.

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