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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

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"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

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In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

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Anybody besides me who thinks Scot Pollard should stay?

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  • Anybody besides me who thinks Scot Pollard should stay?

    I know I'm in the minority, but by how much?
    Besides me, does anyone around here want Scot Pollard to stick around another year?

    YEAR..TEAM..G..FG%..RPG..PPG
    97-98..DET..33..50..2.20..2.7
    98-99..SAC..16..54..5.10..5.1
    98-99..--..16..54..5.10..5.1
    99-00..SAC..76..53..5.30..5.4
    00-01..SAC..77..47..6.00..6.5
    01-02..SAC..80..55..7.10..6.4
    02-03..SAC..23..46..4.60..4.5
    03-04..IND..61..41..2.70..1.7
    Career.......366..50..5.10..4.9
    Playoff........44..51..3.80..3.6

    I think with another year in our system, he could really contribute. I also think he really wasn't in good playing shape this season, kind of like Austin Croshere a year or two ago. I think he will improve next year, whether it be with the Pacers or not. I have read a lot of things on here, mostly people talking about his "stone hands" and calling him "Scott Pollard ()." I think it was the first year jitters and he should be good to go next year. Most people love him for his antics, but I think, if given the chance here, he could be more than just a "Zan Tabak" type of player and more like a "Sam Perkins" in terms of the amount of time he sees on the court. I think most people around here have given up on him because of his play this season and because his "big" contract is displeasing, but I don't see it that way. Your thoughts?

  • #2
    Re: Anybody besides me who thinks Scot Pollard should stay?

    If he is not gonna play , really no need to keep him and hopefully someone will require his services and we could trade him for something or include him in a trade.
    Broadcasting Classic Rock Hits 24/7 SauceMaster Radio!!!!

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    • #3
      Re: Anybody besides me who thinks Scot Pollard should stay?

      If we can't throw him into a trade, then I'd be fine with cutting him. Every time I think about Pollard and his complete lack of basketball skills, it makes me wish Brad was in Denver because we 'let him walk for nothing'. Pollard is actually worse than 'nothing'.
      Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
      Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
      Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
      Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
      And life itself, rushing over me
      Life itself, the wind in black elms,
      Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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      • #4
        Re: Anybody besides me who thinks Scot Pollard should stay?

        Pollard ain't going no where any time soon. Nobody is going to take him, he makes to much. We can't just cut him, we've got to pay him regardless, so we'll keep him around in case of injurys.
        "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG"

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        • #5
          Re: Anybody besides me who thinks Scot Pollard should stay?

          I thought you could cut a player if there contract is not garunteed ? then again probably not since that would make too much sense
          Broadcasting Classic Rock Hits 24/7 SauceMaster Radio!!!!

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          • #6
            Re: Anybody besides me who thinks Scot Pollard should stay?

            I thought you could cut a player if there contract is not garunteed ? then again probably not since that would make too much sense
            In the NBA, there is no such thing as a contract that is not guaranteed.

            Edit:

            Oh, and I didn't vote. There was no "Hell, no!!!!!" category.

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            • #7
              Re: Anybody besides me who thinks Scot Pollard should stay?

              i would love to see pollard go anywhere else. i don't see him fitting his way into our system. but. he makes way too much to stir any interest of trades.

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              • #8
                Re: Anybody besides me who thinks Scot Pollard should stay?

                You can cut him, but you have to honor his contract or the difference between the original contract and when he signs with someone else for the vet's minimum.

                So, as I said, since its my money, I vote to cut him anyway.
                Why do the things that we treasure most, slip away in time
                Till to the music we grow deaf, to God's beauty blind
                Why do the things that connect us slowly pull us apart?
                Till we fall away in our own darkness, a stranger to our own hearts
                And life itself, rushing over me
                Life itself, the wind in black elms,
                Life itself in your heart and in your eyes, I can't make it without you

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                • #9
                  Re: Anybody besides me who thinks Scot Pollard should stay?

                  I thought you could cut a player if there contract is not garunteed ? then again probably not since that would make too much sense
                  In the NBA, there is no such thing as a contract that is not guaranteed.
                  Not True

                  It is expected that Ferry, whose contract for 2003-04 is not guaranteed, will be moved to another team looking to clear salary space.

                  http://www.nba.com/news/trade_030724.html
                  Broadcasting Classic Rock Hits 24/7 SauceMaster Radio!!!!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Anybody besides me who thinks Scot Pollard should stay?

                    1) first preference, filler in trade

                    2) second preference, trade for cap space so we can use the mid level exception without fear of luxury tax

                    3) last, keep him rather than cut him, unless roster spots become an issue. we'd still be paying him anyway.

                    hmm... maybe this should be the first option:

                    0) let pollard retire so that he can become pacers' color commentator

                    :P

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                    • #11
                      Re: Anybody besides me who thinks Scot Pollard should stay?

                      I voted yes!

                      I think that Pollard could and should contribute to the team on the court more, but I know that he contributes to the team morale and is probably helped to solve a lot of the problems we had last year.
                      Here, everyone have a : on me

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                      • #12
                        Re: Anybody besides me who thinks Scot Pollard should stay?

                        I thought you could cut a player if there contract is not garunteed ? then again probably not since that would make too much sense
                        In the NBA, there is no such thing as a contract that is not guaranteed.
                        Not True

                        It is expected that Ferry, whose contract for 2003-04 is not guaranteed, will be moved to another team looking to clear salary space.

                        http://www.nba.com/news/trade_030724.html
                        In the NBA the only part of a contract that is ever Not guaranteed is in the last year. Then it can be a team or players option depending on how the contract is written, but ALL NBA contracts are guaranteed.
                        "Just look at the flowers ........ BANG"

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                        • #13
                          Re: Anybody besides me who thinks Scot Pollard should stay?

                          I thought you could cut a player if there contract is not garunteed ? then again probably not since that would make too much sense
                          In the NBA, there is no such thing as a contract that is not guaranteed.
                          Not True

                          It is expected that Ferry, whose contract for 2003-04 is not guaranteed, will be moved to another team looking to clear salary space.

                          http://www.nba.com/news/trade_030724.html
                          No Sauce... EVERY contract is guaranteed.

                          There are a couple of twists. A contract with a player option enables the player to opt out of the contract early. However, if the player does not exercise his option for free agency, then he remains with the team and the team is still obligated to pay the player for the remainder of the contract.

                          Some contracts are written with team options, where the team can elect to release the player at a particular point in the contract.

                          But the bottom line is that outside of options, if a team signs a player for "x" years, then it is obligated to pay him for "x" years.

                          A team can release a player, and if the player is not picked up by another team, the team that released him is still obligated to pay him. If another team picks up the player at a reduced salary, the team that released him is still obligated to pay the difference between his original salary and his new salary until his contract is completed.

                          Teams can buy out player contracts, but ONLY with the consent of the player. So, for example, if the Pacers tried to negotiate with Pollard and wanted to pay him $7M for the last two years of his contract (which will pay out $12M) and essentially release him, Pollard can say no. Then, whether the Pacers choose to keep him on the roster on not, they are still obligated to pay him the $12M or two years, or some reduction of that in the event that they release him and someone else picks him up.

                          Players who retire prior to the end of their contracts are a different story. I'm not certain how it works, but I assume there would be a point in the contract, perhaps 1 year after the player's announced retirement, that the team is no longer obligated to pay.

                          However, as long as a player under contract makes himself available to play, SOMEBODY is going to play him.

                          Now, within some of the contracts, I'm certain that there are certain provisions for teams to have an out under extreme circumstances. For example, if Kobe finds himself behind bars, I'm sure the Lakers will not be obligated to pay him. If a player has a tendancy to to gain weight, like Oliver Miller, then the team may write into the contract some sort of clause dealing with weight gain to enable them to release the player.

                          But again, the bottom line is that if there is no contractual out-clause, then the team will pay the player come hell or high water.

                          As for Ferry, he had one year left on his contract. And that was for the 2003-2004 season. So there is no contract remaining to be traded. The Pacers took on that contract as cap relief, nothing else. They talked about packaging it along with a player to get back a player with a more expensive contract, but that would have defeated their intentions on acquiring the contract to begin with. It would have put them over the projected luxury tax threshhold, which by the way, did not take effect anyway.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Anybody besides me who thinks Scot Pollard should stay?

                            Umm kinda pointless since Hoop explained it , but knock youself out
                            Broadcasting Classic Rock Hits 24/7 SauceMaster Radio!!!!

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                            • #15
                              Re: Anybody besides me who thinks Scot Pollard should stay?

                              He is a good locker room guy. he is funny on Pacers.com

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