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Ford v. Calderon : Who's the better trade target?

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  • Ford v. Calderon : Who's the better trade target?

    http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Basketball...27566-sun.html

    Which of these guys would you go after if you were trying to solve the PG issues we have by way of trade? I personally think Calderon would be the better fit here in this offense.

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    Re: Ford v. Calderon : Who's the better trade target?

    Jose is the hands down better player, which is why TJ Ford will be the one that is acquirable
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      Re: Ford v. Calderon : Who's the better trade target?

      Calderon of course. However they plan on resigning him. Of course they would then have two points that both have said they want to start, so something has to give. Plus it wouldn't be smart to have two points both making $8m per. So I look for them to try and trade Ford.

      I don't want Ford. However, I would gladly trade Tinsley for him. In fact that would probably work for both teams.

      The only way we could probably get Calderon is via sign and trade. I'd offer them Dun for him.

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        Re: Ford v. Calderon : Who's the better trade target?

        Originally posted by Will Galen View Post

        I don't want Ford. However, I would gladly trade Tinsley for him. In fact that would probably work for both teams.
        How would that work for both teams?

        Tinsley has a long term contract and the Raps won't invest that much $ in the PG position. They'd be in the same situation as they are now with Ford, except for the fact that Tinsley isn't as good.

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          Re: Ford v. Calderon : Who's the better trade target?

          Who is the better target?

          In terms of better player, Jose, in terms of more likely to acquire, TJ.

          I'm a TJ Ford fan. I always thought he seemed like a good guy who does have that problem with his neck. I admire the way he has came back from it.

          Ford is a liability on defense though so he won't help us in that department. As much as I like rooting for TJ he isn't the right player for the Pacers right now due to his lack of defense and injury concerns.

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          • #6
            Re: Ford v. Calderon : Who's the better trade target?

            I could see them trying to ship TJ to Denver but not to the Pacers.
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            • #7
              Re: Ford v. Calderon : Who's the better trade target?

              Neither.

              Jose Calderon is about to get at least 4 for $40 from Colangelo and will be Toronto's starting point on opening day and nothing we say, do or offer will change that.

              TJ Ford has a spinal disorder.
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              • #8
                Re: Ford v. Calderon : Who's the better trade target?

                http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Basketball...27566-sun.html

                Trading Calderon the best option for the Raptors

                By FRANK ZICARELLI, TORONTO SUN






                Raptors head coach Sam Mitchell, shouts instructions to guard Jose Calderon during Game 5 in the playoff series against Orlando Magic. (John Raoux/Associated Press)
                The question was posed during the regular season and will continue throughout this off-season, in all likelihood for another two months.
                T.J. or Jose?


                Eventually, the Raptors will find out the two can't co-exist, their well-intended plans to meet with all parties notwithstanding.


                Eventually, one will have to be moved.


                If you're a Raptors fan, you're hoping the team can parlay the depth at the point position into a serviceable piece, at best a rotation player and at the absolute worst someone who doesn't just spot up on the perimeter and heave jumpers.


                What the Raptors will discover, likely as soon as July 1 when teams are in a position to offer Calderon, a restricted free agent, a contract, is that Ford is an unmoveable part.
                Hindsight is a wonderful tool and upon reflection it is so obvious that the Raptors completely mishandled Ford.
                For this, the entire organization is at fault.


                There is nothing wrong with Ford that can't be fixed, though.
                The Raptors knew Ford's medical history when they traded for him, so forget those arguments of Ford being one fall away from ending his career.


                They knew how much he wanted the ball in his hands.
                What the Raptors must do is harness Ford, surround him with veterans who understand the game and who have experienced the grind of the post-season.


                In the past two springs, Calderon was on the floor when the Raptors needed a basket.


                On each sequence, Calderon and Chris Bosh were the primary options. In each case, they came up short, last year's elimination in Game 6 to New Jersey and this year's exit against Orlando, when the Calderon-Bosh tandem failed to execute a late-game play in Game 2.


                The one thing Ford does that Calderon can't is create his own shot.


                For those who want to rip Ford for getting caught up in one-on-one battles, look to Thursday's Game 3 in the West semi-final when Chris Paul tried to exchange baskets with Tony Parker.


                Another quality Ford possesses that Calderon doesn't is an assassin's approach.


                You want attitude and an edge and Ford has them.
                This is by no means a dump Calderon campaign, but the fact remains that Calderon is more coveted around the NBA than Ford.


                Calderon is a piece the Raptors must explore in trade scenarios to fill the many holes exposed this past season.
                Calderon might even fetch that 20-point-a-night player to complement Bosh.


                One thing is certain -- Ford won't.
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                Dun would work great for the Raptors.

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                  Re: Ford v. Calderon : Who's the better trade target?

                  Originally posted by d_c View Post
                  How would that work for both teams?

                  Tinsley has a long term contract and the Raps won't invest that much $ in the PG position. They'd be in the same situation as they are now with Ford, except for the fact that Tinsley isn't as good.
                  The Raptors GM has stated they will match any offer for Calderon, so obviously they plan on tying that much money up in the point guard position. Rumor is they will want to resign Calderon and trade Ford. However, as the article above points out Ford is going to be hard to impossible to trade.

                  They could keep both point guards, but with both now saying they want to start, the Raptors will have to do something or risk chemistry issues.

                  The Pacers wouldn't do a Dun for Ford, and the Raptors wouldn't do a Calderon for Tinsley trade. So I came up with Dun for Calderon, or even better Tinsley for Ford. I'd give the Raptors their choice.

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                    Re: Ford v. Calderon : Who's the better trade target?

                    Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
                    The Pacers wouldn't do a Dun for Ford, and the Raptors wouldn't do a Calderon for Tinsley trade. So I came up with Dun for Calderon, or even better Tinsley for Ford. I'd give the Raptors their choice.
                    C'mon. Bryan Colangelo runs the Raptors and not the Pacers. How is Tinsley an upgrade in any way to the Raptors? How is Calderon/Tinsley better than Calderon/Ford?

                    They want to avoid chemistry problems so the solution to this is to trade for Mr. Chemistry Jamal Tinsley? Ford is hardly untradeable to the point where their only option is Jamal Tinsley, LOL.

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                      Re: Ford v. Calderon : Who's the better trade target?

                      If we acquired Calderon, I might lose any darksider cred.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Ford v. Calderon : Who's the better trade target?

                        It's simple... if the Raptors want to win now, they trade Calderon since they'll get a very nice return for him. If they can afford to wait a little longer, they trade Ford. It's obviously a difficult decision... with that said, if I were the Raps, I'd stick with Jose since he's more reliable.

                        As for the Pacers, I'd love to have any of them. Realistically, Ford would be available, but since Dun is probably the only thing that they'd be interested in, I don't think we could work out a deal.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Ford v. Calderon : Who's the better trade target?

                          [quote=d_c;716200]C'mon. Bryan Colangelo runs the Raptors and not the Pacers.

                          Yes I know.

                          How is Tinsley an upgrade in any way to the Raptors?

                          Why you asking me? I didn't say he was.

                          How is Calderon/Tinsley better than Calderon/Ford?

                          Why you asking me? I didn't say they were.

                          They want to avoid chemistry problems so the solution to this is to trade for Mr. Chemistry Jamal Tinsley?

                          There's chemistry and then there's chemistry. Both Ford and Calderon no doubt have friends on the team that think they should start. That chemistry could split the team if they keep both. Tinsley would be brought in as a backup and wouldn't be splitting the team.


                          Ford is hardly untradeable to the point where their only option is Jamal Tinsley.

                          Ford makes $8m a year. His health is such that they could lose him tomorrow. Name a guard they could possibly replace Ford with that would be better than Tinsley?

                          Really it doesn't matter. I think Tinsley would be an option Bryan would look at and obviously you don't. End of discussion.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Ford v. Calderon : Who's the better trade target?

                            I like Calderon better, but looks like we have no shot at him getting him. I think TJ Ford is one more injury from having to retire, regardless what the article says.
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                              Re: Ford v. Calderon : Who's the better trade target?

                              Originally posted by Will Galen View Post

                              Ford makes $8m a year. His health is such that they could lose him tomorrow. Name a guard they could possibly replace Ford with that would be better than Tinsley?

                              Really it doesn't matter. I think Tinsley would be an option Bryan would look at and obviously you don't. End of discussion.
                              If Ford is forced to retire at any time due to medical reasons, the remainder of his contract is covered by insurance and his salary automatically comes off the cap. That scenario beats having Jamal Tinsley and the remainder of his contract. In that scenario, they'd rather have a cheap backup to Calderon as opposed to Tinsley's remaining 3 years.

                              For a variety of reasons, Jamal Tinsley isn't an option very many teams are looking at, regardless of their current PG situation.

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