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Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

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  • Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

    I can only count AD, DD, and Danny Granger as anyone who did anything. Brezec actually turned out to be an ok player for the Bobcats...but seriously! This team hasnt drafted anyone that is a difference maker in the last 16 years. I will admit our picks were on avg in the lat teens to 20s. But, there is always teams find great talent later in the first round...but not the Pacers




    Year
    LgRoundPickOverallPlayerCollege
    2006NBA11717Shawne WilliamsUniversity of Memphis
    2006NBA21545Alexander JohnsonFlorida State University
    2005NBA11717Danny GrangerUniversity of New Mexico
    2005NBA21646Erazem Lorbek
    2004NBA12929David HarrisonUniversity of Colorado
    2004NBA23059Rashad WrightUniversity of Georgia
    2003NBA22049James JonesUniversity of Miami
    2002NBA11414Fred JonesUniversity of Oregon
    2001NBA21240Jamison BrewerAuburn University
    2000NBA12727Primoz Brezec
    2000NBA22756Jaquay WallsUniversity of Colorado
    1999NBA12626Vonteego CummingsUniversity of Pittsburgh
    1998NBA12525Al Harrington
    1997NBA11212Austin CroshereProvidence College
    1996NBA11010Erick DampierMississippi State University
    1996NBA22352Mark PopeUniversity of Kentucky
    1995NBA12323Travis BestGeorgia Institute of Technology
    1995NBA22352Fred HoibergIowa State University
    1994NBA11515Eric PiatkowskiUniversity of Nebraska
    1994NBA21441William Njoku
    1994NBA21744Damon BaileyIndiana University
    1993NBA11414Scott HaskinOregon State University
    1993NBA21239Thomas HillDuke University
    1993NBA22451Spencer DunkleyUniversity of Delaware
    1992NBA11414Malik SealySt. John's University
    1991NBA11313Dale DavisClemson University
    1991NBA21441Sean GreenIona College
    1990NBA21845Antonio DavisUniversity of Texas at El Paso
    1990NBA21946Kenny WilliamsElizabeth City State University
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    Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

    Antonio Davis
    Dale Davis
    (Granted we traded him) Eric Piatkowski
    Fred Hoiberg
    Travis Best
    Erick Dampier
    Austin Croshere
    Al Harrington
    Primoz Brezec
    Danny Granger

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      Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

      Malik Sealy was a good player who lost his life to a drunk driver.

      We traded him to get Mark Jackson, I think, so that was not a bad pick at all.

      After 10 years Austin is still around, so he's not awful. Al too.

      Overall I am sure that many years there were better players on the board, but also quite often there was no one to pick who would not have also been a bust.
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        Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

        Originally posted by Mal View Post
        Antonio Davis
        Dale Davis
        (Granted we traded him) Eric Piatkowski
        Fred Hoiberg
        Travis Best
        Erick Dampier
        Austin Croshere
        Al Harrington
        Primoz Brezec
        Danny Granger
        Any that have made impacts? I will say Danny has the best chance, but sometimes I wonder about his game.

        Fred did have some good years in Minny, but not for Indy. Travis was always a great backup I thought.

        Dampier had one good seaon before his BIG CONTRACT, after that...ugh. Not in INDY

        Al, well....I dont really know. He just never seemed to make the impact everyone thought. I think we would of still had Al if RC wasnt the coach. Same goes for Ron.
        Both Davis boys were very good draft picks....but I am talking about that impact player. The lasy IMPACT player we had was Reggie. And that was how many years ago?

        The Indiana Pacers NEED a new face. Someone that is the FACE of the Pacers. And I do believe they will have to get rid of JO and JT before we are 100% away from the brawl.
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          Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

          A lot of those picks were late first rounders and second rounders, where talent is hard to find. Look at the list and you'll find no pick better than 10th in the first round.

          James Jones was quite a find in the second round. Fred Jones was good.

          If we were Atlanta, I would be going nuts over their choices over the years.

          And to get technical, Antonio Davis was drafted, released, then signed from Europe as a FA.

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            Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

            Malik Sealy was solid. He's underrated because he died young.
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              Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

              Originally posted by FlavaDave View Post
              Malik Sealy was solid. He's underrated because he died young.
              Agreed. And we had bad luck with injuries with Haskin and Bender.

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                Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

                As an experiment, I'm going to paste all the players taken immediately after us in the first round since 1990:

                1991: Rich King (C)
                1992: Anthony Peeler (SG)
                1993: Doug Edwards (SF)
                1994: Clifford Rozier (PF)
                1995: Loren Meyer (PF)
                1996: Todd Fuller (C)
                1997: Derek Anderson (SG)
                1998: Sam Jacobson (SG)
                1999: Jumaine Jones (SF)
                2000: Erick Barkley (PG)
                2001: Boštjan Nachbar (SF)
                2004: Anderson Varej„o (PF)
                2005: Gerald Green (G/F)
                2006: Oleksiy Pecherov (PF)


                Is that better than what we got?
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                • #9
                  Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

                  Besides Varejao, we got way better value than the pick after us, no questions asked.

                  And Bambam, I think your definition of a "impact player" is what most of us here at PD would call a "star", and you're not going to find too many of those first option caliber guys at 15 or so in the draft.

                  The only year we really blew it was the Bender year.

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                    Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

                    We retained the right to Antonio Davis while he was in Europe.

                    He was not a free agent signing.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

                      1991
                      Hard to argue with Dale Davis at 13 in that draft.
                      1992
                      Sealy @ 14 while Doug Christie(17), Jon Barry (21)& Latrell Spreewell (24) were still on the board. Death or no death those players were better from the get go.
                      1993
                      Haskin @ 14 while Ervin Johnson, Sam Cassell & Chris Mills were on the board. That was head scratcher at the time, remember.
                      1994
                      Piatkowski was picked for the Clippers. Who was then coupled with the '92 1st rounder Sealy & Pooh Richardson ( that cost the Pacers former 4th pick The Rifleman & starting PG Michael Williams) for the original Jacko.
                      1995
                      Hard to argue w/ Best @ 23
                      1996
                      Dampier while Potapenko, Kobe, Peja, Nash, JO & Big Z were still on the board hard to argue that one.
                      1997
                      Crosh @ 12 over Derek Anderson, Maurice Taylor, Kelvin Cato & Brevin Knight
                      1998
                      Al @ 25 good job
                      1999
                      Cummingswas picked for the Warriors so we could have Jeff at the additional expense of our '01 1st rounder that ironically turned out to be Troy Murphy
                      2000
                      Brezec 27 no real players after that. I'm not including guys like Redd everybody passed on him and that was 20 some picks later.
                      2001
                      See 1999 & 2003
                      2002
                      Freddie @ 14 while Juan Dixon, Kareem Rush & Tayshaun Prince went elsewhere
                      2003
                      See Jamaal Tinsley
                      2004
                      David Harrison @ 29 gets a pass by most but not me since Varejao went next and Duhon went 7 later.

                      I'll stop there since nobody wants to hear how they passed up some pretty good point guards to get both Danny & Shawne.
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                        Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

                        Originally posted by FlavaDave View Post
                        As an experiment, I'm going to paste all the players taken immediately after us in the first round since 1990:

                        1991: Rich King (C)
                        1992: Anthony Peeler (SG)
                        1993: Doug Edwards (SF)
                        1994: Clifford Rozier (PF)
                        1995: Loren Meyer (PF)
                        1996: Todd Fuller (C)
                        1997: Derek Anderson (SG)
                        1998: Sam Jacobson (SG)
                        1999: Jumaine Jones (SF)
                        2000: Erick Barkley (PG)
                        2001: Boštjan Nachbar (SF)
                        2004: Anderson Varej„o (PF)
                        2005: Gerald Green (G/F)
                        2006: Oleksiy Pecherov (PF)


                        Is that better than what we got?

                        Touche, FlavaDave! Very clever way to answer the question. Dr. Goldfoot goes a little deeper and shows that the Pacers haven't always gotten the best players that were available. But we know more about the players now than even the best scouts knew before their NBA careers began.

                        It's a crap shoot, folks! And most of the time, you get crap.
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                          Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

                          Originally posted by dcpacersfan View Post
                          Besides Varejao, we got way better value than the pick after us, no questions asked.
                          i'd like to ask a question... wouldn't you have rather had jumaine jones over vonteego cummings? jones had at least several productive years in the nba.
                          This is the darkest timeline.

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                            Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

                            Originally posted by FlavaDave View Post
                            As an experiment, I'm going to paste all the players taken immediately after us in the first round since 1990:

                            1991: Rich King (C)
                            1992: Anthony Peeler (SG)
                            1993: Doug Edwards (SF)
                            1994: Clifford Rozier (PF)
                            1995: Loren Meyer (PF)
                            1996: Todd Fuller (C)
                            1997: Derek Anderson (SG)
                            1998: Sam Jacobson (SG)
                            1999: Jumaine Jones (SF)
                            2000: Erick Barkley (PG)
                            2001: Boštjan Nachbar (SF)
                            2004: Anderson Varej„o (PF)
                            2005: Gerald Green (G/F)
                            2006: Oleksiy Pecherov (PF)


                            Is that better than what we got?

                            I will admit most were probably as good as we were going to get....BUT check these drafts out!

                            1996

                            NO.

                            PLAYER, SCHOOL/COUNTRY

                            TEAM

                            1.

                            Allen Iverson, Georgetown

                            Philadelphia

                            2.

                            Marcus Camby, Massachusetts

                            Toronto

                            3.

                            Shareef Abdur-Rahim, California

                            Vancouver

                            4.

                            Stephon Marbury, Georgia Tech

                            Milwaukee (1)

                            5.

                            Ray Allen, Connecticut

                            Minnesota (1)

                            6.

                            Antoine Walker, Kentucky

                            Boston

                            7.

                            Lorenzen Wright, Memphis

                            L.A. Clippers

                            8.

                            Kerry Kittles, Villanova

                            New Jersey

                            9.

                            Samaki Walker, Louisville

                            Dallas

                            10.

                            Erick Dampier, Mississippi State

                            Indiana

                            11.

                            Todd Fuller, North Carolina State

                            Golden State

                            12.

                            Vitaly Potapenko, Wright State

                            Cleveland

                            13.

                            Kobe Bryant, Lower Merion HS (Pa.)

                            Charlotte

                            14.

                            Predrag Stojakovic, Serbia & Montenegro

                            Sacramento

                            15.

                            Steve Nash, Santa Clara

                            Phoenix

                            16.

                            Tony Delk, Kentucky

                            Charlotte

                            17.

                            Jermaine O'Neal, Eau Claire HS (S.C.)

                            Portland

                            18.

                            John Wallace, Syracuse

                            New York

                            19.

                            Walter McCarty, Kentucky

                            New York

                            20.

                            Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Lithuania

                            Cleveland

                            21.

                            Dontae' Jones, Mississippi State

                            New York

                            22.

                            Roy Rogers, Alabama

                            Vancouver

                            23.

                            Efthimis Rentzias, Greece

                            Denver

                            24.

                            Derek Fisher, Arkansas-Little Rock

                            L.A. Lakers

                            25.

                            Martin Muursepp, Estonia

                            Utah (2)

                            26.

                            Jerome Williams, Georgetown

                            Detroit

                            27.

                            Brian Evans, Indiana

                            Orlando

                            28.

                            Priest Lauderdale, Central State

                            Atlanta

                            29.

                            Travis Knight, Connecticut

                            Chicago



                            Have to say we could of gotten better here.

                            In 2002 the Pacers could of had
                            Tayshaun Prince...instead of Jones. But if I remember right that was Thomas choice at that time...and look what he has done to the CBA and NYK.

                            I also forgot about JT...who we didnt draft, was part of a trade that we got via Atlanta and Memphis.

                            We lost last years first round pick for Al who we only had for about 4 months.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Since 1990, who has the Pacers drafted that is worth a d***

                              Originally posted by avoidingtheclowns View Post
                              i'd like to ask a question... wouldn't you have rather had jumaine jones over vonteego cummings? jones had at least several productive years in the nba.
                              Yes but to be fair the Pacers didn't even want a first round pick that year, but couldn't find anything to exchange for it, and Cummings was never intended to be a part of the equation. We were stacked that year and should have beaten Orlando in the ECF.

                              This is mentioned near the beginning of Reggie's book, which is my source for what I just said.

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