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  • Odd thoughts to wrap up the road trip.

    Ok, I stayed out of the Sacramento game because frankly I was still (and still am) fuming about that loss to the Suns.

    I didn't want to rain on a win so I just bit my tongue and moved on. I didn't want to point out that it took Kevin Martin missing two bunnys late in the game or that Travis Diener was hitting more shots than he had all season combined.

    You know the old statement, a win is a win, afterall.

    So now we move onto this game with the Warriors and I just want to ask one question for all of those who are advocating our newest and latest lineup change.

    What the h@ll are we doing?

    No, really, what are we doing?

    Is this a long term plan where this is how we will play for the next 5 years? Is this a stop gap measure just to stop the losing? Are we trying to develop the young players?

    A show of hands, who actually thinks this will be the way to win in the east in a playoff series?

    Ok, if this is not about winning in the playoffs what is it about?

    Look, I'm fine with any of the above answers I guess. But I just want to know what the plan is.

    My guess is that this is just a stop gap measure to try something new to get some wins and make the Simons goal of reaching the playoffs.

    This cute lineup will work against the two teams we just played and we will play both of them again this week so for now it is fine.

    But I can't wait till we try and small ball the Pistons. Oh that will be fun. Ah who am I kidding no matter what lineup we use they will spank us.

    Anyway, I guess I'm just confused about why all of a sudden we are having a lineup change again.

    On to the game.

    I don't want to hear one word from any of the Jackson fans on here about how our fans treat good old Jax. Look I always said our fans were unfair to him but after that reception that Dunleavy just got Jacksons trips to the fieldhouse are like a welcome home parade for military hero's.

    It's to bad that we blew what was a pretty good overall game for him.

    Now why did we lose?

    Well there are a number of things you could say led to our defeat.

    How about Jamaal Tinsley's childish flagrant 1 that lit Montana Ellis on fire?

    How about Jamaal Tinsley's inability to even pretend to slow down any of thier point guards who decided to drive the lane.

    How about we got a full frontal view of why if Travis Diener isn't hitting his shots that he is mostly a liabilty on the floor.

    But mostly how about a coach who thinks that an open three point shot is like the holy grail, not realizing that in any NBA game the opponet will give you a free open three all game long at some position knowing that you are most likely going to hit it at about 30% of the time.

    Sorry, I think I will not talk about O'Brien tonight for fear that my thoughts on that Pheonix game are still tainting my thoughts. Yes, I still 100% blame him for that loss.

    Were we beat by the better team tonight? My answer is yes so I guess what is there to gripe about.

    Right now we are one of the worst teams in the league and I just don't even know how to dig out of this.

    Oh, I guess I should give this up so I don't get scolded for not recognizing.

    Jermaine O'Neal played one hell of a game. Now if we could only get him to play against 6'8" centers the rest of the year we will be in business.

    I'm tempted to just erase all of this because frankly it's just filled with to much negativity.

    But frankly right now I am lost as to what we are doing. Once I figure that ourt I guess I will feel better.

    Again another question.

    Long term, does anybody think Danny Granger should be the 4?

    I would advocate trading away Foster and Diogu if it wasn't for the fact that in about 3 weeks when this hasn't worked Foster at least will be back for sure.

    Diogu to be honest with you probably should be moved & I actually liked Ike. But he is not going to fit into this system and is far to concerned with his shots to be of any real use.

    That end of the game play drawn up by O'Brien was pure genius wasn't it?

    Can you imagine what Dwight Howard is going to do to us?

    Oh well to end on something positive, at least Marquis played well.


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    Re: Odd thoughts to wrap up the road trip.

    Alot of Negative thoughts there.

    But that may of been our toughest stretch of games all season.

    and we only had 1 real bad game v Utah.

    We should/ could of beaten Suns and Warriors which would of made us 3-2.

    Im liking this team now, we should be able to beat all the teams below us in the EC.

    I do think we will go on a 5-6 game winning streak very soon.

    JT was pushing for the All-Star game before he got injured, so his just getting back into his groove, his made some silly decisions but 10 games in he will be back to the stat sheet of 15/10/5.

    Only 2 problems i have with this team are:

    * Inconsistncy (up 15, next minute up 2)

    * Murphy playing Over Foster
    Last edited by granger33; 01-14-2008, 03:37 AM.

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      Re: Odd thoughts to wrap up the road trip.

      Originally posted by Peck View Post
      But I can't wait till we try and small ball the Pistons. Oh that will be fun. Ah who am I kidding no matter what lineup we use they will spank us.
      Considering the Pistons just got their by the Knicks I'd say the Pacers have a fighting chance.

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        Re: Odd thoughts to wrap up the road trip.

        The reaction for Dunleavy wasn't THAT bad was it?

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          Re: Odd thoughts to wrap up the road trip.

          Originally posted by Stephen Jackson View Post
          The reaction for Dunleavy wasn't THAT bad was it?
          Just the standard stuff. Booed during pre-game intros and booed everytime he touched the ball or was inbounding the ball.

          I have good seats, but not THAT good of seats, so I couldn't hear any taunts.

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            Re: Odd thoughts to wrap up the road trip.

            Originally posted by grace View Post
            Considering the Pistons just got their by the Knicks I'd say the Pacers have a fighting chance.
            Yeah, because that says anything at all about the pistons.....

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              Re: Odd thoughts to wrap up the road trip.

              Originally posted by Peck View Post
              Can you imagine what Dwight Howard is going to do to us?
              lose?

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                Re: Odd thoughts to wrap up the road trip.

                Originally posted by Peck;

                What the h@ll are we doing?

                No, really, what are we doing?

                Anyway, I guess I'm just confused about why all of a sudden we are having a lineup change again.
                Obviously O'B is trying to find something that works.

                Originally posted by Peck;
                How about Jamaal Tinsley's inability to even pretend to slow down any of thier point guards who decided to drive the lane.
                Until we get a point guard that can stop penetration, OR get Artest, and Miller, back, OR their clones, we're just going to be an up and down team. Of course to be a contender we also need a finisher.

                I just don't get to high or too low about the currant team.

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                  Re: Odd thoughts to wrap up the road trip.

                  Tinsley's play last night really, really bothered me for the reasons you mention Peck. The problem I have isn't that Jamaal was unable to stop their point guards from beating him, the problem is that he didn't even try to stop them. In earlier games he was in a defensive stance - last night he was not His attitude on the court last night was a disgrace and an embarrasment. I could theorize as to why it was, but it really doesn't matter, he was JT from the last two years, the JT that I hated.

                  Other than that though, Peck I have to disagree with you with. I hate that Jeff isn't playing, but I think small ball is the best way for this Pacers team to win games. It gets Williams on the floor, it gets Rush on the floor. Of course I would replace Murph with jeff, because the interior defense and rebounding when Murphy was the only "big guy" was a joke. But small ball is the way to go. Ike doesn't fit this system and he needs to be traded, because he has more value to this franchise as trade bait then he does as a player.

                  Jeff will play a lot of minutes when they need his defense - like against Howard, I'm not worried about that.

                  I really wanted the Pacers to win last night for Dunleavy - I just don't understand why the fans are so hustle towards him. Did he ever embarrass the franchise, did he ever badmouth the franchise - No, he left with class. it is the fans fault that they thought they were getting the next Larry Bird or Dirk when they drafted Mike. But more than that it seems like the media and the fans in the bay area have something personal against him
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                    Re: Odd thoughts to wrap up the road trip.

                    Originally posted by Will Galen View Post
                    Obviously O'B is trying to find something that works.



                    Until we get a point guard that can stop penetration, OR get Artest, and Miller, back, OR their clones, we're just going to be an up and down team. Of course to be a contender we also need a finisher.

                    I just don't get to high or too low about the currant team.
                    Well said Will. That is about where I am at. Enjoy the spurts of good play and enjoy watching
                    some of the better players in the league that are playing the Pacers.


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                      Re: Odd thoughts to wrap up the road trip.

                      I think by any objective measure, the pacers have played a lot better in the past three games after going to small ball

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                        Re: Odd thoughts to wrap up the road trip.

                        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                        I think by any objective measure, the pacers have played a lot better in the past three games after going to small ball
                        Very true. The only thing that bothered me was that, Marquis and Tins wouldn't take it to Baron Davis, when he fully had 4 fouls. If we got him out of the game, we would have won. It would have definately changed the game even though Monta Ellis was on a hot streak
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                          Re: Odd thoughts to wrap up the road trip.

                          Originally posted by d_c View Post
                          Just the standard stuff. Booed during pre-game intros and booed everytime he touched the ball or was inbounding the ball.

                          I have good seats, but not THAT good of seats, so I couldn't hear any taunts.
                          It's hard for me to guage how bad it was when Dunleavy was booed on a regular basis when he was a Warrior.....but I thought it was pretty bad.

                          IMHO...."standards stuff" is when fans "boo" the best player on the opposing team.....or booing opposing players when they attempt a FT.

                          Although I am clearly biased cuz I actually liked Dunleavy as a player both as a Warrior and Pacer....my impression was that the level of "booing" was on the level when fans just hates a particular player.
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                            Re: Odd thoughts to wrap up the road trip.

                            The playing time of players I don't like but will continue to vary until Jim gets a rotation he likes.

                            Jamaal was the old Jamaal last night. I guess he wasn't to happy about Diener taking his minutes away vs Sacramento maybe.

                            I'm just hoping that Jim can settle on a rotation by the all star break. Hopefully then we can play consistant.

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                              Re: Odd thoughts to wrap up the road trip.

                              Originally posted by Peck View Post

                              Long term, does anybody think Danny Granger should be the 4?
                              I don't mind Danny playing the 4. I assume that your complaint is about his defense/rebounding ability vs. other 4's.

                              Josh Smith, Kevin Garnett, Gerald Wallace, Joe Smith, Drew Gooden, Dirk Nowitzki, Kenyon Martin, Antonio McDyess, Al Harrington, Chuck Hayes, Tim Thomas, Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol, Udonis Haslem, Yi Jianlian, Chuck Smith, Malik Allen, David West, Zach Randolph, Rashard Lewis, Reggie Evans, Boris Diaw, LaMarcus Aldridge, Mikki Moore, Tim Duncan, Nick Collison, Chris Bosh, Carlos Boozer, Antawn Jamison.

                              Those are the starting PF's in the league. How many of those guys would actually have an advantage over Danny that wasn't equalized by a disadvantage on their own part? I count 10 (Garnett, Nowitzki, Gasol, West, Randolph, Aldridge, Duncan, Bosh, Boozer, and Jamison). That's a fair bit, but it's not huge.

                              What it comes down to is this: Would you rather have Rush, Quis, and Williams getting more minutes, or Murphy, Ike, Harrison, and Foster getting more minutes? I'll take the former.

                              I do have an issue with Murphy playing over Foster, but that's not the point of this thread.

                              I wonder if the Warriors get those two key offensive rebounds last night if Foster's in the game?
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