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McGrady unhappy in Houston

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  • #16
    Re: McGrady unhappy in Houston

    Can someone give me some insight if Bird would actually seriously consider putting something on the table for T-Mac?

    Just as long as ive been going for the pacers (8 years) everytime there is a good player on the block, i never hear once Indiana pushing for him.

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    • #17
      Re: McGrady unhappy in Houston

      Well Walsh had interest in T-Mac back in the day. Don't know if he still does though.


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      • #18
        Re: McGrady unhappy in Houston

        Originally posted by Mal View Post
        This team needs an injury-prone shooting guard much more than it needs an injury-prone power forward/center consider our roster and our style. I'd do it. Actually, since they want a PG, this could be the franchise's chance to trade JO AND Tinsley to (potentially, in theory) pacify the whiners who are staying home because of those two while making a trade that might actually help the team. Give us Mike James and a pick for Tinsley (or whatever works that's similar) and swap JO for T-Mac.
        I'd do that.
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        • #19
          Re: McGrady unhappy in Houston

          Hey, maybe HOU will throw in the Aaron Brooks. He's pretty
          much the reincarnation of Dana Barros, O'B's old missle
          launcher from his early Celtic days.

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          • #20
            Re: McGrady unhappy in Houston

            Originally posted by Mal View Post
            This team needs an injury-prone shooting guard much more than it needs an injury-prone power forward/center consider our roster and our style. I'd do it. Actually, since they want a PG, this could be the franchise's chance to trade JO AND Tinsley to (potentially, in theory) pacify the whiners who are staying home because of those two while making a trade that might actually help the team. Give us Mike James and a pick for Tinsley (or whatever works that's similar) and swap JO for T-Mac.
            Someone get Larry on the phone. NOW. This is exactly what we need.

            It makes too much sense for both sides, and most importantly attendance. I guarantee that the fans would come flocking back to Conseco to see TMac every night. We would have someone who could actually get to the rim and the free throw line when he wanted to.

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            • #21
              Re: McGrady unhappy in Houston

              Mike James AND a pick for Jamaal Tinsley? Really? Good luck with that.
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              • #22
                Re: McGrady unhappy in Houston

                PG Mike James
                SG TMac
                SF DunDun
                PF Danny
                C Jeff / Hulk / Troy depending on the matchup

                Backups:
                PG Quisy / Owens
                SG Rush
                SF Shawne (he has got to start playing some D and get back in the rotation, we need his shooting)
                PF Ike
                C Jeff / Hulk / Troy

                Inactives:
                Diener
                Graham

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                • #23
                  Re: McGrady unhappy in Houston

                  Originally posted by JayRedd View Post
                  Mike James AND a pick for Jamaal Tinsley? Really? Good luck with that.
                  I'd rather have Mike James and Luthor . James has fallen off a cliff from his Toronto days.
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                  • #24
                    Re: McGrady unhappy in Houston

                    I'd trade JO and Tins for TMac and Mike James in a heartbeat.

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                    • #25
                      Re: McGrady unhappy in Houston

                      Okay. Let's take a step back and really look at this trade proposal.

                      The Pacers are already dealing with fluctuating lineups/rotations due to injuries. They've got JO in and out of the starting lineup because of his knee. And then there's Quis from the 2nd unit for the same reason. Add Foster and Harrison for their back spasms and that's four players with recurring injuries this team has to deal with. As good as T-Mac is - and believe me I'd love to have him on this team - why would you want to add one more player with a history of injuries to this roster even as short as that injury history might be?

                      T-Mac sat out half of the '05-06 season w/back spasms and sat out the first 7 games or so to start the '06-07 w/the same problem. Now, he has tendinitis in his left knee and his return to Houston's lineup is still in question. Hadn't the Pacers gone through this before with Quis and JO last year? Think it through, folks.

                      The other issue w/this trade proposal is you'd be trading away good interior defense for good perimeter offense. When was the last time T-Mac really shut anyone down? And with his tendinitis problem do you really think he'd improve this team's back court defensive woes? Once again, think it through.

                      When he's on, T-Mac is about as good as it gets! There are probably only five or six good SGs/SFs out there who can create off the dribble AND are as clutch as he is: Kobe, AI, Dwade, LeBron and Melo to name who I believe are the top five. But the one difference between T-Mac and those five players is health not to mention they've all shown a willingness to play injured. I'm not too sure about T-Mac in that regard.

                      If the Pacers were to go after T-Mac, IMO they'd be better off making a 2-for-1 trade involving Dunleavy and Deiner rather than giving up JO and fuller. Why?

                      The Rockets need that perimeter scorer. Plus, with Steve Francis' availability also in question they need another PG. Deiner has shown he can run an offense and offords them another 3-pt threat. No, he hasn't been consistent from downtown, but he has shown he can find the bottom of the net from long range. Still, to me it's a huge gamble for the Pacers because they'd be giving up a player who hasn't missed a game since acquiring him, fits very well in JOB's offense and has shown he can score versus a player who although we all know can score has had some health issues recently.

                      Bottom line here is T-Mac for JO just doesn't work for either team. T-Mac for Dunleavy w/Deiner could. It's a gamble, but it's probably one I'd do IF I had some assurance that this tendinitis issue wouldn't be a constant problem. JOB would probably have to "manage" it just as he's trying to manage Quis' knee injury by not playing him in too many back-to-back games or limiting his minutes. Still, by adding T-Mac to the mix he'd now have three key players with injury management issues to deal with. I just don't think it's worth it.
                      Last edited by NuffSaid; 01-01-2008, 12:45 PM.

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                      • #26
                        Re: McGrady unhappy in Houston

                        Setting aside that's a greater homer-trade than anything we saw from the LA fans, Nuff, the salaries don't come close to matching.
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                        • #27
                          Re: McGrady unhappy in Houston

                          If your going to start with Dunleavy you'll need to add Daniels & Foster. That comes pretty close to matching up, salary wise anyway.

                          Houston can throw in a scrub or ending contract to help balance out the rosters.

                          Either way, its not going to happen. When T-Mac was on his way out of Orlando he made it pretty clear that Indy was not on his list of places to play. We had a lot better team then than we do now so if he's moved it won't be here.

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                          • #28
                            Re: McGrady unhappy in Houston

                            Originally posted by JayRedd View Post
                            Mike James AND a pick for Jamaal Tinsley? Really? Good luck with that.
                            Considering Mike James is part of the reason they "need a point guard", yes. His numbers aren't nearly what JT's are either (8pts 2ast when you round both up). In fact, they love him so much in Houston he plays a whopping 18 mpg. I think he'd look better here because he can defend and hit shots (going by career %s anyway).

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                            • #29
                              Re: McGrady unhappy in Houston

                              Originally posted by Jose Slaughter View Post
                              If your going to start with Dunleavy you'll need to add Daniels & Foster. That comes pretty close to matching up, salary wise anyway.

                              Houston can throw in a scrub or ending contract to help balance out the rosters.

                              Either way, its not going to happen. When T-Mac was on his way out of Orlando he made it pretty clear that Indy was not on his list of places to play. We had a lot better team then than we do now so if he's moved it won't be here.
                              TMac doesn't have a no trade clause though. There is only one Kobe in the NBA.

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                              • #30
                                Re: McGrady unhappy in Houston

                                I think when T-Mac has people kissing his feet after he shows up and hits some clutch shots and makes a few sick dunks he'll feel OK about Indiana. Most players who come here with his attitude do.

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