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Danny Granger Part 2

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    After watching last nights game vs Toronto and the first five minutes of tonights game with Miami Either Danny Granger needs to sit down or learn how to play the pro game. Since he's been a pro for going on three years now...I think its time to either sit or be traded. It does absolutely no good to score twenty points if your giving up 30 on the defensive end. Granger has been consistant enough with his turnovers and mental lapses....but not with his scoring and rebounding. Many of you on this "Digest " keep giving him a pass, because you actually think he's going to be a "star"...

    But thats where most people make their mistake...thinking they know something and then give an opinion....only to find out they don't know squat. It's still early enough in his career for the PAcers to get something back of some value...Its time to trade Danny.....or live with his Yo-Yo game.

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    I think we should have a PD Category "Most Impulsive Poster" just for you.

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      Re: Danny Granger Part 2

      Originally posted by DaSMASH View Post
      After watching last nights game vs Toronto and the first five minutes of tonights game with Miami Either Danny Granger needs to sit down or learn how to play the pro game. Since he's been a pro for going on three years now...I think its time to either sit or be traded. It does absolutely no good to score twenty points if your giving up 30 on the defensive end. Granger has been consistant enough with his turnovers and mental lapses....but not with his scoring and rebounding. Many of you on this "Digest " keep giving him a pass, because you actually think he's going to be a "star"...

      But thats where most people make their mistake...thinking they know something and then give an opinion....only to find out they don't know squat. It's still early enough in his career for the PAcers to get something back of some value...Its time to trade Danny.....or live with his Yo-Yo game.
      The only thing I would agree with in this post is that Granger has mental lapses. That is a real concern. Otherwise, this post is utter .

      His scoring average is rising significantly each year. He now has 14 points on better than 50% shooting while guarding DWade. Three of the last four games for DWade have been >30ppg. Danny has him at 21 in the 4th quarter with 3 minutes left. Not great, but good luck to Tinsley or Dunleavy when they guard Lebron or DWade. LOL!

      As for consistency, Granger's scored in double figures for 19/22 games this year which is similar to the older veteran players...all while drawing a much more difficult defensive assignment. Tonight is no exception. Based on your flawed logic, every player with less than 5 years of experience on this team, need to go too. Bye Shawne. Bye Ike. Bye everyone!
      Last edited by BlueNGold; 12-15-2007, 11:00 PM.
      Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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        Re: Danny Granger Part 2

        Originally posted by DaSMASH View Post
        After watching last nights game vs Toronto and the first five minutes of tonights game with Miami Either Danny Granger needs to sit down or learn how to play the pro game. Since he's been a pro for going on three years now...I think its time to either sit or be traded. It does absolutely no good to score twenty points if your giving up 30 on the defensive end. Granger has been consistant enough with his turnovers and mental lapses....but not with his scoring and rebounding. Many of you on this "Digest " keep giving him a pass, because you actually think he's going to be a "star"...

        But thats where most people make their mistake...thinking they know something and then give an opinion....only to find out they don't know squat. It's still early enough in his career for the PAcers to get something back of some value...Its time to trade Danny.....or live with his Yo-Yo game.
        I think we should trade him for Gerald Wallace.

        You recycle your posts, I'll recycle mine.
        This space for rent.

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          Re: Danny Granger Part 2

          You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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            Re: Danny Granger Part 2

            Originally posted by DaSMASH View Post
            But thats where most people make their mistake...thinking they know something and then give an opinion....only to find out they don't know squat.
            No matter how much success Larry Bird attains in Indiana he'll never top that first command to fire Thomas. -Peter Vecsey. NY Post 12/4/07

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              Re: Danny Granger Part 2

              Originally posted by DaSMASH View Post
              After watching last nights game vs Toronto and the first five minutes of tonights game with Miami Either Danny Granger needs to sit down or learn how to play the pro game. Since he's been a pro for going on three years now...I think its time to either sit or be traded. It does absolutely no good to score twenty points if your giving up 30 on the defensive end. Granger has been consistant enough with his turnovers and mental lapses....but not with his scoring and rebounding. Many of you on this "Digest " keep giving him a pass, because you actually think he's going to be a "star"...

              But thats where most people make their mistake...thinking they know something and then give an opinion....only to find out they don't know squat. It's still early enough in his career for the PAcers to get something back of some value...Its time to trade Danny.....or live with his Yo-Yo game.
              Yeah, because it's not like D-Wade scores like that on anybody else. What the heck is Danny's problem?

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                Re: Danny Granger Part 2

                This is a grid that tracks player performance based on Utah's formula...points + assists +blocks + boards + steals, minus fouls, turnovers, and shots taken...all divided by minutes played.

                Danny's numbers are inconsistent, and seem to be trending downward.

                The first column labelled game 10 is actually the figure for the first 10 games.

                Performance
                in GameGame 1011121314151617181920212223
                Granger.213.414.371.611.143-.069.325.171.100.000.342.103-.042.313
                Dunleavy.288.182.324.259.194.394.541.353.257.262.242.677.593.293
                O'Neal.175.074DNPDNPDNPDNPDNP.444.571.400.056.308.444.000
                Tinsley.217.206.395.146.400.462.293.237.622.275.500.281.310.333
                Murphy.336.360.395.135-.208.579.100.250-.050DNP.500.450.333.212
                Foster.333.625.500.167.314.276.568.565.111.480.344DNPDNP.059
                Williams.143.560.000.389.050.656.095.294.071.000.450-.053.400-.667
                Daniels.174.056.083.222.708.161.400DNP.000.120.440.133.529.000
                Rush.068.000-.667-1.000DNP-.250.095-.250.364-.273DNP-.160.400.381
                Diogu.229DNPDNPDNPDNPDNPDNPDNPDNPDNPDNPDNPDNPDNP
                Diener.049-.500DNP-.143DNP-.500.000.000DNPDNPDNPDNP.000DNP
                Harrison.033.211.364-.091.292.111-.067-.056-.250.333DNPDNP-.200.300
                Owens.294DNPDNPDNPDNPDNPDNP-.500DNPDNPDNP.000-1.000DNP
                Graham.667DNPDNPDNPDNPDNPDNPDNPDNPDNPDNP.667.667DNP
                Sims-.1251.000DNPDNPDNPDNPDNPDNPDNPWAIVED.000DNP
                TEAM.210.350.325.225.246.304.304.246.233.221.342.254.354.208
                4-6LWWLWWLWLWLWL


                [~]) ... Cheers! Go Pacers!

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                  Re: Danny Granger Part 2

                  DaSmash you are totally obsessed with trades - at a level that is downright scary.

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                    Re: Danny Granger Part 2

                    Originally posted by Isaac View Post
                    DaSmash you are totally obsessed with trades - at a level that is downright scary.
                    Whether people think Granger is the next Lebron or the next ball boy, he will not be traded by the Pacers. It is seriously a waste of time to even speculate.

                    Granger is staying put because he's not only pretty good, he's a good citizen and can sell the product....something this team needs badly right now.
                    Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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                      Re: Danny Granger Part 2

                      Originally posted by DaSMASH View Post
                      After watching last nights game vs Toronto and the first five minutes of tonights game
                      .......

                      Originally posted by DaSMASH View Post
                      But thats where most people make their mistake...thinking they know something and then give an opinion....only to find out they don't know squat.
                      Gerald Wallace and Greg Oden FTW.....

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                        Re: Danny Granger Part 2

                        Oh, and let's trade that bum Granger because he isn't frickin' Carmelo Anthony or better. Such a scrub. Who wants another Tayshaun Prince in their starting 5 anyway?

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                          Re: Danny Granger Part 2

                          Originally posted by DaSMASH View Post
                          After watching last nights game vs Toronto and the first five minutes of tonights game with Miami Either Danny Granger needs to sit down or learn how to play the pro game. Since he's been a pro for going on three years now...I think its time to either sit or be traded. It does absolutely no good to score twenty points if your giving up 30 on the defensive end. Granger has been consistant enough with his turnovers and mental lapses....but not with his scoring and rebounding. Many of you on this "Digest " keep giving him a pass, because you actually think he's going to be a "star"...

                          But thats where most people make their mistake...thinking they know something and then give an opinion....only to find out they don't know squat. It's still early enough in his career for the PAcers to get something back of some value...Its time to trade Danny.....or live with his Yo-Yo game.
                          You "think" Danny should be benched or traded because he gave up a lot of points to Wade, (which a lot of people do, actually, Wade's a superstar) and your opinion is he should be traded or benched.

                          So basically YOU don't know squat, either.

                          By your logic, that is.
                          Super Bowl XLI Champions
                          2000 Eastern Conference Champions




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                            Re: Danny Granger Part 2

                            Originally posted by Shack80 View Post
                            Nice use of the emoticons. What an appropriate quote you extracted.....
                            Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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                              Re: Danny Granger Part 2

                              Originally posted by Mal View Post
                              .......



                              Gerald Wallace and Greg Oden FTW.....
                              laugh it up, funny man.

                              just you wait... you'll see. you'll ALL see!
                              This is the darkest timeline.

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