The Rules of Pacers Digest

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Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.

Rule #1

Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

"He/she is just delusional"

"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

Rule #2

If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.

The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.

The right places to do so are:

A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.

B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.

If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

Rule #3

If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.

When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.

B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.

To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!

Rule #4

Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

Rule #5

When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.

An example:

If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star

Rule #6

We cannot tolerate illegal videos on Pacers Digest. This means do not share any links to them, do not mention any websites that host them or link to them, do not describe how to find them in any way, and do not ask about them. Posts doing anything of the sort will be removed, the offenders will be contacted privately, and if the problem becomes habitual, you will be suspended, and if it still persists, you will probably be banned.

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Rule #7

Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.

It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).

We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).

However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.

Rule #8

We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.

Rule #9

Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.

Rule #10

We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.

Rule #11

Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
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Most Improved Pacer???

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  • Most Improved Pacer???

    Who do you believe the most improved player on the Pacers squad is:

    Mike Dunleavy, Danny Granger, Shawn Williams, Ike, David Harrison or Jamaal Tinsley.

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      just wait till after season


      • #4
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        Its far to early to decide.
        If you havin' depth problems, I feel bad for you son; I got 99 problems but a bench ain't one! - Hicks


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          Earlier this season I would have said MDJ. At this particular time, it's Tinsley.
          Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia


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            From the stand point of where the began and where they are now--David Harrison.

            No way would I have thought he'd crack the rotation at the beginning of the season.
            "They could turn out to be only innocent mathematicians, I suppose," muttered Woevre's section officer, de Decker.

            "'Only.'" Woevre was amused. "Someday you'll explain to me how that's possible. Seeing that, on the face of it, all mathematics leads, doesn't it, sooner or later, to some kind of human suffering."


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              Toss up between Hulk and Williams. Tinman and Dun are not doing anything more than in the past. Different coaching is whats making them look better.
              "He wanted to get to that money time. Time when the hardware was on the table. That's when Roger was going to show up. So all we needed to do was stay close"
              Darnell Hillman (Speaking of former teammate Roger Brown)


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                Tinsley has played this well before. Not for an entire season, but for a month or two, sure. In fact previously with Rick, despite his hatred, he shot a pretty nice 3 ball even.

                It's a tough call for me. Shawne is better, but some of it is just more PT. He looked really good in the final few months last year. Dunleavy had totally lost his 3pt shot, but the rest of his game was this good last year (or bad in some aspects).

                It's gotta be Harrison for me. He's really improved his temper, he's getting better about not getting off his feet on defense which is helping him avoid some fouls, and with that extra time on the court he's been a real force. Just look at his +/-.

                BTW, Foster's passing and improved jumper have to warrant a mention at least. He's also basically the best defender on the team when you check and the Opp FG% impact he has.


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                  I don't think it is Jamaal or Mike. Certainly both are playing much better than before. However I think that is due to more of style of play, coaching, as someone already stated.

                  I think it comes down to Shawne, Ike, or David. I'm not really suprised that Jamaal and Mike are playing the way they are with Jim O'Brien as our coach. I'm defiantly impressed but not suprised.

                  Shawne has had some pretty big games for us. With Shawne I think it's more of him just being comfortable, getting the playing time and experience.

                  If Ike never got injured and kept up his production I think it could be him. We will see how he does when he returns though.

                  David hasn't gotten as much playing time. Still though, he has been getting some time to show what he can do. He had the most to improve of the players IMO and I think he has done a great job of improving.

                  I think that it is probably David who has improved the most but it's tough.

                  All I can say is that I am very happy with the progress these players have made this season. It's been fun to see.


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                    Originally posted by jeffg-body View Post
                    Who do you believe the most improved player on the Pacers squad is:

                    Mike Dunleavy, Danny Granger, Shawn Williams, Ike, David Harrison or Jamaal Tinsley.

                    Mike and Hulk are a tie for the most improved in my mind.

                    Danny, Shawne, and Ike are still on the rise, and have improved dramatically as well.

                    Jamaal is just returning to old form under a different offensive scheme that fits him better.


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                      Originally posted by Naptown_Seth View Post

                      BTW, Foster's passing and improved jumper have to warrant a mention at least. He's also basically the best defender on the team when you check and the Opp FG% impact he has.
                      True. Jeff has been a huge plus this season - mainly his jumper in my mind. With him being able to hit that jumper it is making his defender play him closer, thus opening up the middle of the lane a tad more. I actually feel more confident when Jeff takes that 15 foot jumper than when JO does now.

                      Sidenote: Quisy deserves some praise as well. With the disappointment of Diener, Quisy has stepped in admirably as Tins backup at the point.
                      Last edited by BoomBaby33; 12-11-2007, 12:58 AM.


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                        I pick Jamaal. You guys say he's played this well before, but his numbers show that he's having a career year. His impact on the court is bigger than anybody else's on this team. Knowing that, he's stepped up and taken on the role that was given to him and he's cherished it. Yes Foster and Shawne have improved, Danny has improved his scoring output and blocked shots yet again, but Jamaal has consistently been getting better after every game so far.

                        He started by racking up some assists and he's continued to up his average every game there, Mr. No Defense of last year is now 8th in the league in steals at 2 per game, on top of that he has a countless number of hustle plays. He's become the 3rd best rebounding point guard in the league, his free-throw percentage has increased dramatically over the last few games and so has his shooting percentages overall, and he's even starting to show a decline in his turnovers. On top of that he's also hit a number of clutch shots for us this year.

                        I expected Tinsley to be better, but I didn't expect him to be this good. He's miles better than he's ever been. I loved him in the brawl year and his rookie year, but this Tinsley is different. He's the most improved.


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                          I'd say Harrison but Tinsley has played very well compared to last year. I'd probably say Harrison because he's shown a lot of improvement defensively and offensively, whereas Tinsley is primarily offensive improvement.


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                            Tinsley has never played this well before. Maybe the stats might indicate he played this well during the first two months of his rookie season, but he didn't play this well. Don't forget he was a very mistake prone rookie, whoich is to be expected so we overlooked it then, but we aren't willing to overlook his mistakes as much now. So our perceptions have changed, but Tinsley is playing better now


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                              this is where the analyzing stats don't really bode too well.

                              If you look at JT's stats...they are not a big boost as some might say...but its not what he gets - its how he's been getting it...and lately his on court leadership has been pretty nice add on which you could not see on paper.