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  • #46
    Re: Jamaal & The Tinsley brothers involved in shooting

    Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
    Once our government decides to stop destroying the country with its immigration and trade policies and our people decide to place a higher value on family, fatherhood, personal responsibility, education, and morals, these problems will dissipate.
    In other words; "Don't hold your breath".
    “It is what we learn after we know it all that really counts” - John Wooden

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    • #47
      Re: Jamaal & The Tinsley brothers involved in shooting

      Originally posted by dlewyus View Post
      In other words; "Don't hold your breath".
      LOL. No kidding. I must be dreaming or something.

      In any event, that's what it will take. The trade and immigration policies are not helping our poverty situation in this country. That goes to DC's point. ..and yes, Indiana, particularly run by pro-business Mitch Daniels is not going to start a war on poverty.

      But the war on poverty is not one person's responsibility. Both our government and our own culture has caused this mess. Both need to work together to clean it up.

      So, I really think DC is on target, but there are really two targets. One is public policy. The other one is directly related to culture and how some segments of society put down education, put down family, don't live up to personal responsibilities, etc.

      Until both are corrected, the status quo will continue or grow worse.
      Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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      • #48
        Re: Jamaal & The Tinsley brothers involved in shooting

        Originally posted by dcpacersfan View Post
        And businesses do have a responsibility to contribute to the well being of the community. Have you ever taken a course on business ethics? With all the corporate welfare the Colts have recieved it's really the least they could do.
        I agree the Colts got a handout from the state...and I am totally in agreement with some of the goals you seem to have in mind.

        However, you have been listening to the professors for too long. Businesses are in it to make money and are not responsible for the public welfare. Just because it seems fair for the Colts to "pony up", you just cannot base societal interests on such a whim. It's government's (ie. the general public) responsibility to reign them in by enacting laws and regulations.

        Our immigration and trade policies would be my place to start.
        Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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        • #49
          Re: Jamaal & The Tinsley brothers involved in shooting

          In the United States, it's really all about the bottom line of businesses, and it always will be. Whether or not that is a good thing is something that we can debate, but it really doesn't make that much of a difference what we say because in the end our government is going to enable businesses to reap as much profit as possible, even if it is at the expense of a large number of citizens.

          The reason I am so in favor of development through investment in rough areas is for one thing it works, and for another thing many people win because it really cleans up some areas. But it doesn't really address the core issue of the problem, instead of stopping poverty it just moves it.

          Getting back on topic, this thing will either blow over or it will really, really kill the Pacers in terms of PR. My Dad is always panning me how JT is a thug and that the Pacers are a "bunch of thugs" (even though I don't really think that is true at all) and although most of the people on this board who follow the Pacers closely can argue against this, this is all the average fans sees and all he cares to see. He/she isn't going to partake in some crazy in depth analysis, they'll simply pull their support from this team and do it quickly.

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          • #50
            Re: Jamaal & The Tinsley brothers involved in shooting

            Hey, if nothing else, Bird can buy JT an old, used, Chevy Cavalier
            or something similarly non-descript. Club-9 or whatever at 3:40
            a.m. is bad enough. But leave the damn Rolls at home.

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            • #51
              Re: Jamaal & The Tinsley brothers involved in shooting

              Originally posted by dcpacersfan View Post

              Getting back on topic, this thing will either blow over or it will really, really kill the Pacers in terms of PR. My Dad is always panning me how JT is a thug and that the Pacers are a "bunch of thugs" (even though I don't really think that is true at all) and although most of the people on this board who follow the Pacers closely can argue against this, this is all the average fans sees and all he cares to see. He/she isn't going to partake in some crazy in depth analysis, they'll simply pull their support from this team and do it quickly.
              I think it blows over. For goodness gracious, it's just another shooting. lol

              I don't even care. I have already learned it will take at least rape or murder by a player for me to stop tuning in. I think that must go for the majority of the Pacer fans who are left. In fact, we might even pick up some new fans from certain segments of society. lol.
              Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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              • #52
                Re: Jamaal & The Tinsley brothers involved in shooting

                Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post

                However, you have been listening to the professors for too long. Businesses are in it to make money and are not responsible for the public welfare. Just because it seems fair for the Colts to "pony up", you just cannot base societal interests on such a whim. It's government's (ie. the general public) responsibility to reign them in by enacting laws and regulations.
                I think we agree way more than we disagree, I just wish the Colts as a whole had an owner who was a bit more of a humanitarian like Abe Polin, who by the way is amazingly wealthy but totally revitalized a whole area of DC in the process. I am a huge Colts fan but I think even a lot of us in Indianapolis can agree that the Irsays (Robert especially) are some of the more heartless owners in professional sports.

                From what I remember the area around the Fieldhouse was kinda shifty to say the least before the Fieldhouse itself was built. I may be wrong about this.

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                • #53
                  Re: Jamaal & The Tinsley brothers involved in shooting

                  8 seconds saloon
                  Cloud 9

                  The only logical explanation is that Tinsley is huge numbers fan and is planning his next "incident" at club TEN (yes, the lesbian bar at 12th & Penn).

                  One would also expect that after that there will only be one more occurrence after TEN since the Tin-man sports the number 11 on the court.

                  Does Jamaal have plans to open his own club 11 thus sealing the fate of this numbers game?

                  Stay tuned!


                  --------------

                  Seriously though,


                  I'm in support of Jamaal Tinsley, at this point he's the victim no matter what his past is.

                  I'm stoked he keeps a place downtown, the burbs are no place for a young rich man... ok yeah, the cornfield might provide a little more privacy

                  Also Tin-man is playing out of his MIND right now.. I love it and I want him to stick around as long as possible. He's keeping it really interesting!

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                  • #54
                    Re: Jamaal & The Tinsley brothers involved in shooting

                    Originally posted by dcpacersfan View Post
                    I think we agree way more than we disagree, I just wish the Colts as a whole had an owner who was a bit more of a humanitarian like Abe Polin, who by the way is amazingly wealthy but totally revitalized a whole area of DC in the process. I am a huge Colts fan but I think even a lot of us in Indianapolis can agree that the Irsays (Robert especially) are some of the more heartless owners in professional sports.
                    I know we agree on goals. I am simply older and more jaded.

                    As for the Irsays, you have them pegged. They are not the prototypical generous corporate citizen. There are people like that, but its not the norm...and more to the point, you cannot hold anyone to it without wielding a statute or two.
                    Lance is finally home. Whether he becomes our starting PG or he's 6th man, he's getting big minutes and he's here to stay. #llortontnia

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                    • #55
                      Re: Jamaal & The Tinsley brothers involved in shooting

                      to hell wit PR
                      just glad he's okay
                      if you stop supporting a team because of something like this you're not a basketball fan and we don't need you

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                      • #56
                        Re: Jamaal & The Tinsley brothers involved in shooting

                        Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
                        I agree the Colts got a handout from the state...and I am totally in agreement with some of the goals you seem to have in mind.

                        However, you have been listening to the professors for too long. Businesses are in it to make money and are not responsible for the public welfare. Just because it seems fair for the Colts to "pony up", you just cannot base societal interests on such a whim. It's government's (ie. the general public) responsibility to reign them in by enacting laws and regulations.

                        Our immigration and trade policies would be my place to start.
                        If the enormous challenge of changing these "segments" of culture and trying to improve impoverished and undeprivileged situations and their accompanying problems are all on the gov't, I don't have a lot of faith.

                        I would argue that your assertion that businesses are in it to make money and have no public responsibility is actually a symptom of the broader cultural problem. This really just communicates to the lower class that those with wealth and power don't care and that our culture does not support any shared attempt to help pull up people.

                        Of course, it has to be a two way street. People have to do their part to improve themselves, as well. No argument there. But what is the likliehood of someone buying into that when the overarching message is nobody cares they are just out to make money. Everyone should be responsible for public welfare to the extent that we all form the community in which we reside.
                        I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.

                        -Emiliano Zapata

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                        • #57
                          Re: Jamaal & The Tinsley brothers involved in shooting

                          Originally posted by The Jumpshot Still Money View Post
                          to hell wit PR
                          just glad he's okay
                          if you stop supporting a team because of something like this you're not a basketball fan and we don't need you
                          To hell with PR? We're 28th in attendance and we need all the fans we can get.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Jamaal & The Tinsley brothers involved in shooting

                            I wanted to drop in to say, Aw Heck, that avatar is classic.

                            Secondly, and more importantly, from what I've read so far it sounds like Tinsley's only mistake was being there at all. Aside from that, he sounds like the (would be?) victim here.

                            I still think people will hate him (not on PD, but in general) for this because they won't bother to read the stories. They'll only read "Jamaal Tinsley involved in shooting".

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                            • #59
                              Re: Jamaal & The Tinsley brothers involved in shooting

                              Originally posted by Shade View Post
                              I really don't understand why rich athletes, who work so hard to get out of the ghetto, always manage to find themselves back in there.
                              "When keepin' it real goes wrong."

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                              • #60
                                Re: Jamaal & The Tinsley brothers involved in shooting

                                Originally posted by The Jumpshot Still Money View Post
                                to hell wit PR
                                just glad he's okay
                                if you stop supporting a team because of something like this you're not a basketball fan and we don't need you
                                ...and you were appointed as the supreme opinion on this by whom?

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